Aguero

[wavydavy]

It's not like it hasn't happened before? Do you think Baines would come to us? Here we have a self-confessed Liverpool fan playing for a rival club. Also, if we want to get into it, think of all the top youngsters we've signed who have been Everton fans - who signed for us because we're a bigger club!

I think this discussion has gotten a little out of hand to be honest guys. Of course, everyone must realise that Everton are rivals of ours. But as Craig said a while ago now, there are different forms of rivalry - I should have qualified my original post by saying that Atletico aren't competitive rivals with Real. Let's say there are competitive rivals, historic rivals, and local rivals.

But I'm still really surprised at the shock some of you seem to exhibiting over this! Tevez did virtually the exact same thing only a couple of years ago. It happens in football!



I think the most important thing to come from all of this discussion, is that footballers do not have the same loyalties towards the club they play for as the fans of that club do. I mean it seems obvious. But when it's a player playing for YOUR club, you want to believe that he's different. Torres proved that ambition > loyalty 99% of the time. Reina would have moved on this summer too.

At the risk of turning this into another thread about Stevie G, when I think about this sort of thing it really does hit home how lucky we are to have him. He could have gone anywhere, but chose to stay, even though it meant he was less likely to win as many trophies... that's so ****ing rare now. Chelsea dalliances well and truly forgiven!

The local rivalry with Everton is one way IMO. When we beat Everton all I, and all of my LFC mates, see is 3 points. We move in different circles to Everton. I can only speak from experience but after every derby match that we win I see very little piss-taking by the Red side of the city. Sure I laugh when EFC get battered by someone but I'm not really that arsed tbh.

[CJ]

arent there different rivalries?

i certainly think that under Rafa and maureen the chavs were our rivals.

the scum and blackburn were rivals at one point too.

also i used to hate arsenal more than i do now.

its always evolving though i would think that the bitters and the scum will always be rivals to us its too ingrained for it too change

[kris90210]

arent there different rivalries?

i certainly think that under Rafa and maureen the chavs were our rivals. competitive

the scum and blackburn were rivals at one point too. competitive

also i used to hate arsenal more than i do now. competitive

its always evolving though i would think that the bitters local and the scum historic will always be rivals to us its too ingrained for it too change

I've come up with a handy way of categorising it. I'm thinking of trademarking it (see above)

[CJ]

I've come up with a handy way of categorising it. I'm thinking of trademarking it (see above)

i scrolled up the page read the one about footballers having no loyalty these days (in the main) and thought what the **** does he mean he has catogorized (for dave) it.

then a saw the bold text

i agree that there is less loyalty we have all seen it at our club. the only surprising thing is that people still think there is loyalty. Suarez will leave he hasnt stayed at clubs for that long yet i imagine in 4 or so years he will look to move. if we are winning titles and challenging in europe it might be difficult for him to want to go. Look at the fake pablo ronaldo he wanted to leave anyway. also from a lifestyle point where would you really choose? spain or Liverpool. Its no coincidence that the premiership attracted top players when money flooded into the league.

[Arn]

i scrolled up the page read the one about footballers having no loyalty these days (in the main) and thought what the **** does he mean he has catogorized (for dave) it.

then a saw the bold text

i agree that there is less loyalty we have all seen it at our club. the only surprising thing is that people still think there is loyalty. Suarez will leave he hasnt stayed at clubs for that long yet i imagine in 4 or so years he will look to move. if we are winning titles and challenging in europe it might be difficult for him to want to go. Look at the fake pablo ronaldo he wanted to leave anyway. also from a lifestyle point where would you really choose? spain or Liverpool. Its no coincidence that the premiership attracted top players when money flooded into the league.

Money talks. Would any of our players sign a new deal if we offered them less money? We are a great club but they play for us because we pay them big money.

If we want Aguero then we will have to pay him big money. Probably more than our Captain is on. Why? He is worth it and he knows it. If we don't pay it then someone else will.

[Baracus]

No way would he write that to leave for Real.

Any passionate fan would use that as toilet tissue if he joined a rival

[Baracus]

Well, the deal must already be done. The question is who signed him?

If Comolli is in Spain then it must be to either sign Mata or Aguero IMO.

I've heard Comolli is trying to get Rafa a Job

[CJ]

arn not sure you agreeing with me does my lack of credibility any good.

there may be individuals who given the choice of a couple of clubs would choose us and maybe for a little less money but i think we have to be constantly challenging for them to do it, especially if the other interested parties are.

players want all the trinkets their mates have and at the end of the day they want medals.

like owen. He was happy to give a medal back (so he said at the time) 10 years ago as he thought he would win lots of medals. Now he is a bit player and you try taking that medal off him.

however as a basic premise that loyalty doesnt exist is one i am comfortable with as a football player. I accept some players would consider things we wouldnt. As a club we should be trying to prove them wrong and be good at identifying replacements.

also as said i think the FSG model in part means buying good young players (including the likes of Suarez possibly carroll) and then being able to sell them for a profit while identifying the young and hopefully hungry replacements.

[Arn]

No way would he write that to leave for Real.

Any passionate fan would use that as toilet tissue if he joined a rival

I got 40-1 at Unibet that he will join us. A small bet mostly for fun but you never know.

Phone them and ask for the odds.

[Mostar]

arn not sure you agreeing with me does my lack of credibility any good.

there may be individuals who given the choice of a couple of clubs would choose us and maybe for a little less money but i think we have to be constantly challenging for them to do it, especially if the other interested parties are.

players want all the trinkets their mates have and at the end of the day they want medals.

like owen. He was happy to give a medal back (so he said at the time) 10 years ago as he thought he would win lots of medals. Now he is a bit player and you try taking that medal off him.

however as a basic premise that loyalty doesnt exist is one i am comfortable with as a football player. I accept some players would consider things we wouldnt. As a club we should be trying to prove them wrong and be good at identifying replacements.

also as said i think the FSG model in part means buying good young players (including the likes of Suarez possibly carroll) and then being able to sell them for a profit while identifying the young and hopefully hungry replacements.

Absolutely the key.

They identified that in order to compete at the highest level we have to attract top young talent around the world (in addition to grow our own talent) but they also realized that we cannot, and in some cases don't want to, hold on those players few years later as loyalty means nothing these days.

Players go where the money is and if they have a chance to win trophies in process and enjoy the life to fullest, it is difficult to keep them at one place for the rest of their respective careers. Those days are long gone, for the most part.

[CJ]

it will be interesting to see how fans react to this model as some would see us as becoming a selling club

i wish there was loyalty i am just comfortable with the fact there isnt.

[Mostar]

it will be interesting to see how fans react to this model as some would see us as becoming a selling club

i wish there was loyalty i am just comfortable with the fact there isnt.

Same here. Loyalty especially when it comes to foreign players in general is ancient history but from time to time you come across of somebody that proves to be an exception to the norm.

I would love to believe that FSG self-sustaining model relies heavily on re-investing all the proceeds from players sales into top notch young talent and as long as we scout smart and don't hesitate to pay the on-going rate for those world class youngsters we'll be fine.

[Mostar]

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Aguero wants to quit Atletico Madrid

Sergio Aguero has publicly stated his desire to leave Atletico Madrid this summer.

The Argentina striker posted a statement on his website tonight, saying he felt he needed a move to continue his development.

"I said long ago that when I wanted to go, I would say so publicly. And the time has come," the statement said. "So I keep to my word and here I am.

"I find it hard to leave Atletico. It hurts and saddens me. I've thought long and hard and I am convinced that I must be true to myself. I do not think I put a ceiling on the ability to keep learning, to keep growing.

"After five intense years, this stage for me personally is over and I have to give way to a new one.

"I'm about to turn 23 and I have everything before me. Suffice it to say that this is not an economic issue but strictly a sporting one.

"So I want to clearly express my appreciation to the club for the efforts they have made for giving me a salary that equates with the largest clubs in the world."

Aguero, 22, has scored over 100 goals for Atletico since joining from Independiente as a teenager in 2006.

As recently as January, he signed a new contract that runs until 2014 and was also named the club's vice-captain.

However, Aguero tonight said that he signed the new deal with an understanding that he may leave this summer, merely wanting to ensure Atletico received a larger fee.

"I want to say also that this decision has been maturing for some time," he added. "The issue was discussed and agreed with Atletico last year when I was renewing my contract.

"I wanted to sign as a way to give back to the club for all the support they have given me. Had I not done so, they might not have received any more for my transfer. I received then a promise that the club would not stand in my way if I wanted to leave this summer.

"Therefore, in line with that commitment and my decision, I have asked them to listen to any offers they receive for me from different clubs."

Atletico suffered a disappointing season as they finished seventh in La Liga, although that has been good enough to earn them a Europa League berth.

Nevertheless, speculation over Aguero's future has been rife in recent days with the likes of Real Madrid, Juventus, Liverpool and Manchester City being linked with the son-in-law of Argentina legend Diego Maradona.

Only last week, Atletico chief executive Miguel Angel Gil Marin insisted Aguero was not for sale.

[Baracus]

Him writing a letter is something in line and in keeping with players leaving for Liverpool and players leaving from liverpool. Interesting.

[Neil Young]

I fear you may be clutching at straws.

I suspect players leaving other clubs and going to other clubs also write letters. In fact, all those leaving Liverpool who wrote letters were going to other clubs. And all those who joined Liverpool after writing letters were at other clubs when they wrote them. So basically letter-writing is not uniquely Liverpudlian, even among players who have written letters having played for Liverpool or who were going on to play for Liverpool.



Of course you may not have been serious. I hope you weren't.