Michael Owen happy to give winners medal away due to lack of involvement

[Neil Young]

I don't think he can ever be remembered as a Liverpool great or legend. He is too arrogant and deluded. What other Liverpool legends have been like that?

I'm not getting into the debate about what qualifies an ex-player as a legend but there's no denying he was a very important player for us for a while. For instance, along with Henchoz's hands, he won us the FA Cup.

And lots of excellent former LFC players have, sadly, turned out to be complete knobs.

It's disappointing to find out heroes can have feet of clay but most, if not all, do.

[vlahka]

Thats why Fowler and Dalglish will always be our two best players and idols. Owen doesnt deserve to have his name beside theirs.

[red g]

Piers Morgan:

I'm going out partying in NY now. Had nothing to do with Utd winning the League - but neither did @themichaelowen and it isn't stopping him.

[Neil Young]

Thats why Fowler and Dalglish will always be our two best players and idols. Owen doesnt deserve to have his name beside theirs.

I don't think Fowler was one of our best two players but I agree, Owen wasn't as good as either.

[ken dodds dog]

Thats why Fowler and Dalglish will always be our two best players and idols. Owen doesnt deserve to have his name beside theirs.

Eh ?
Are you serious ?

[vlahka]

I guess some of you have issues with Fowler. He was one of our best strikers, he never wanted to leave the club but was forced out, he came back the instant he had the chance and would of played for free, still visits the club often, helps out with our youth players when he can, and he's never been a *******. If not wasnt for his injuries he'd most likely had been our greatest striker. But that smy opinion. I think he's brilliant no words from anyone will change that view.

[Neil Young]

So now we're judging players not on how good they were but on how good they could have been and whether we like them as people, are we?

[CJ]

I guess some of you have issues with Fowler. He was one of our best strikers, he never wanted to leave the club but was forced out, he came back the instant he had the chance and would of played for free, still visits the club often, helps out with our youth players when he can, and he's never been a *******. If not wasnt for his injuries he'd most likely had been our greatest striker. But that smy opinion. I think he's brilliant no words from anyone will change that view.

i dont think many LFC supporters have issues with Fowler the fact he is called God tends to point to a certain amount of affection.

and all players have the chance to play for us for free. All they have to do is say that when its time for a new contract.

The problem is he did get injured and we have had a few players who have been better for us down the years. Thats no slight on Robbie its just the facts.

[Fivex]

Idol is a very subjective word Neil.

[Neil Young]

Sure, I'm aware of that, Willo.

I don't mind vlahka or anyone else viewing things differently. I was clarifying that my criteria and his are quite different. I deliberately refrained from talking about 'idols' or 'legends' as I was talking about players' impact on the pitch, rather than on supporters, in order to draw a distinction between an emotional response and a more reasoned evaluation.

I wouldn't say one approach is inherently better than the other and of course they're compatible. But the latter at least gives us something to discuss, while the former is more about waving banners.

[vlahka]

I can see your point of view and I agree. Going by players impact who would you list? I'm guessing Dalglish would be one of them.

[Neil Young]

Dalglish at #1 for sure.

Others I wouldn't put in order but, of the ones I've seen, would have to include Gerrard, Rush, Souness, Hansen, Lawrenson, Neal, Nicol, Kennedy...

I don't honestly think I could justify putting Fowler in the top 10, probably even top 20, even though he was very talented. He'd be above Owen though.

[red g]

Dalglish at #1 for sure.

Others I wouldn't put in order but, of the ones I've seen, would have to include Gerrard, Rush, Souness, Hansen, Lawrenson, Neal, Nicol, Kennedy...

I don't honestly think I could justify putting Fowler in the top 10, probably even top 20, even though he was very talented. He'd be above Owen though.

I think that stands for probably most on here who remember the list you put up there.

Although for sheer impact, Robbie's first few seasons were incredible

[Neil Young]

Oh yeah, he was such a natural. It's a shame he didn't fulfil his potential. I mean he did OK - very well compared to many - but he could have been incredible. His goals to game ratio shows that.

A friend of mine reckoned when Fowler was breaking into the England set-up that he wasn't bright enough to deliver at the highest level. I don't know about that - I think he probably wasn't coached well enough. And then there were the injuries and all the rest.

Owen had one trick - pace. It worked for a good while and he made the most of it but once that had gone, he was no longer anything special.

[little dave hedgehog]

i think anyone who's read the article by le saux, or read fowler's twitter must know that "fowler's never been a *******" is only true in the sense that his mother may have been married to his father when he was born (then again, she may not have...)

i think what vlahka means is that fowler's never been a ******* to us.