Manchester City

[Exiled_red]

There was a point somewhere about damages, if they are found guilty, surely FSG/Liverpool could sue them? For lost cash prizes and the impact it has had on Europe Coefficients which affects CL prize money as well, plus other reasons. United could have a case as well.

I suspect that there will be something that will stop clubs from suing them as it would be a free for all, at the moment it's £2.2m per position in the table per season, So potentially all the teams in the league could sue for that.

They took CL places from teams who would have finished 4th were it not for their cheating. As champions they get a bigger slice of the English CL (TV??) revenue pot which is split 40:30:20:10 to teams finishing 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th respectively so there is that too which is a clear financial loss.

Those are just direct prize money that clubs would have received, clubs also argue that as PL champions or a team in the CL they could have got better sponsorship deals etc.

I suspect if anything were to happen in that regard the PL might take back some of the prize money and share it out amongst some of the other clubs in a bid to settle this and not have a legal nightmare to deal with obviously it would be way less than City got and those clubs lost, but I suspect that once the hearing (and appeals) are over the PL won't want this to drag on as it devalues the product.

[Alex]

I think the stuff around the white paper is probably a distraction. This is the PL showing the Government they have teeth and dont need a regulator. But it doesnt mean the same charges wouldnt probably apply.

[The_weatherman]

I suspect that there will be something that will stop clubs from suing them as it would be a free for all, at the moment it's £2.2m per position in the table per season, So potentially all the teams in the league could sue for that.

They took CL places from teams who would have finished 4th were it not for their cheating. As champions they get a bigger slice of the English CL (TV??) revenue pot which is split 40:30:20:10 to teams finishing 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th respectively so there is that too which is a clear financial loss.

Those are just direct prize money that clubs would have received, clubs also argue that as PL champions or a team in the CL they could have got better sponsorship deals etc.

I suspect if anything were to happen in that regard the PL might take back some of the prize money and share it out amongst some of the other clubs in a bid to settle this and not have a legal nightmare to deal with obviously it would be way less than City got and those clubs lost, but I suspect that once the hearing (and appeals) are over the PL won't want this to drag on as it devalues the product.

The PL can order them to pay damages according so that's quite possible, would be quite sweet if they could pay for half a Bellingham or so.

[Mark79]

The charges cover a certain period, up to the end of 2018 (I think), but I've seen comments on various sites saying that the PL rushed to get this out before the "White Paper" from the Government. Does this mean that there could be further charges to follow for the seasons from 2018 to now. I mean, we all know City's revenue took a big upturn during Covid, whilst everybody else went down, and then there were the strange sponsership deals with companies that didn't actually seem to exist. Will they be looked into, or was the remit only for certain seasons?

There are charges from 2018 onwards too. Though they appear to be related to City being obstructive in investigations rather than financial.

From the PL statement

5. In respect of the period from December 2018 to date, the Premier League Rules applicable in the relevant Seasons requiring a member club to cooperate with, and assist, the Premier League in its investigations, including by providing documents and information to the Premier League in the utmost good faith, namely:

[ame]https://twitter.com/tariqpanja/status/1622544942844334084[/ame]

[Scratch]

There are charges from 2018 onwards too. Though they appear to be related to City being obstructive in investigations rather than financial.

From the PL statement



https://twitter.com/tariqpanja/statu...44942844334084

So, if City do get forced to provide the documentation that they (reading between the lines) are still withholding, then that could open another can of worms....or is that just wishful thinking?

[Mark79]

So, if City do get forced to provide the documentation that they (reading between the lines) are still withholding, then that could open another can of worms....or is that just wishful thinking?

Good point.

That’s a question for Nick Harris!

[danperkins]

I think 500 points deduction is fair, but with them never being allowed to go in to minus points. Should be close to 60 relegations

I concur

[danperkins]

That clip that Shaggy posted with Nick Harris is absolutely mind blowing.

[Buzzo]

That clip that Shaggy posted with Nick Harris is absolutely mind blowing.

blatant corruption going right to the top of football.

[Mark79]

I don’t want to watch, it’ll make me too angry

It’s mad, we already knew about all of this, because of Der Spiegel, the UEFA investigation and the CAS hearing. And because it was just all so blatant.

But it’s like we just accepted it as part of what we’re up against, because what else could we do?

But it’s absolutely mind-boggling. Liverpool have been scandalously cheated out of

Ending a 24 year wait with the PL 2013/14
PL and CL double winners 2018/19
Record PL points winners 2019/20
PL, FA, LC domestic treble winner 2021/22

[ChesterDave]

I suspect that there will be something that will stop clubs from suing them as it would be a free for all, at the moment it's £2.2m per position in the table per season, So potentially all the teams in the league could sue for that.

They took CL places from teams who would have finished 4th were it not for their cheating. As champions they get a bigger slice of the English CL (TV??) revenue pot which is split 40:30:20:10 to teams finishing 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th respectively so there is that too which is a clear financial loss.

Those are just direct prize money that clubs would have received, clubs also argue that as PL champions or a team in the CL they could have got better sponsorship deals etc.

I suspect if anything were to happen in that regard the PL might take back some of the prize money and share it out amongst some of the other clubs in a bid to settle this and not have a legal nightmare to deal with obviously it would be way less than City got and those clubs lost, but I suspect that once the hearing (and appeals) are over the PL won't want this to drag on as it devalues the product.

And all the individual bonuses on a player level. It would be an astronomic bill

[fah-q]

I don’t want to watch, it’ll make me too angry

It’s mad, we already knew about all of this, because of Der Spiegel, the UEFA investigation and the CAS hearing. And because it was just all so blatant.

But it’s like we just accepted it as part of what we’re up against, because what else could we do?

But it’s absolutely mind-boggling. Liverpool have been scandalously cheated out of

Ending a 24 year wait with the PL 2013/14
PL and CL double winners 2018/19
Record PL points winners 2019/20
PL, FA, LC domestic treble winner 2021/22

Plus 18/19 we’d have been undefeated in the league

[Mark79]

Plus 18/19 we’d have been undefeated in the league

Most likely yeah. Unless the mid table version of City managed by Sam Allardyce somehow pulled off a shock win.

[wiw]

That clip that Shaggy posted with Nick Harris is absolutely mind blowing.

blatant corruption going right to the top of football.

It's unbelievable. I reeeeeally hope they don't get away with this

[Fosterbloke]

I wonder how long until we see a BBC Football headline like 'Man City expelled to the 3rd division'. 2 years? 3 years?