Arsenal

[Buzzo]

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[Buzzo]

What makes this different from a usual clash of heads is it's not two players going for a crossed or free ball, Pedro has (some) control of the ball and he's completely taken out. Because it's by a head and not a foot, shouldn't be make any difference.

nice articulation!

[rudedog]

What makes this different from a usual clash of heads is it's not two players going for a crossed or free ball, Pedro has (some) control of the ball and he's completely taken out. Because it's by a head and not a foot, shouldn't be make any difference.

Or just ban heading the ball

[RedReet]

What makes this different from a usual clash of heads is it's not two players going for a crossed or free ball, Pedro has (some) control of the ball and he's completely taken out. Because it's by a head and not a foot, shouldn't be make any difference.

[rudedog]

The Jimenez one wasn't remotely similar, that was two players jumping for a 50/50. This wasn't a clash of heads, this was one player controlling the ball with his head and the other fella nutting him and knocking him down.

Luiz completely missed the ball and headed Jimenez instead

[DerKrampus]

Can we just enjoy the fact it happened to Arsenal and they dropped points?

[Kenneth]

The Jimenez one wasn't remotely similar, that was two players jumping for a 50/50. This wasn't a clash of heads, this was one player controlling the ball with his head and the other fella nutting him from the side and knocking him down.

[rudedog]

But can you think of any examples where that situation has happened and hasn't been given?

Yeah, I’ve definitely seen this before and not given


David Luiz fractured Jimenez’s skull and no pen was given

It’s happened to us too but can’t remember the details

[Kenneth]

But can you think of any examples where that situation has happened and hasn't been given?

[rudedog]

Why?

There are so many pens given because of ' the letter of the law', when defenders aren't preventing anything or stopping an advantage, basically the forward is going nowhere, or the ball is already away, but a pen is still given. That defeats the purpose of giving a pen IMO.

Pedro knocked the ball on with his head here, planning on taking it down in an extremely dangerous position and was completely taken out of the game by the defender who was nowhere near the ball.. IMO, it's almost the perfect example of when and why a pen should be given.

I’d also be fuming as there has never been a pen given for this previously

[chadrtc]

I’d be annoyed if it was against us, same as almost every penalty decision… but I’d accept it was the correct decision. Their reaction to this, along with every other ridiculous, perceived injustice, is just a manifestation of a manager and team, intent on fine margins football. Sometimes this **** will happen and you’ll drop points… and probably fail to win the league.

[RedReet]

I'd be fuming if that was given against us.

Why?

There are so many pens given because of ' the letter of the law', when defenders aren't preventing anything or stopping an advantage, basically the forward is going nowhere, or the ball is already away, but a pen is still given. That defeats the purpose of giving a pen IMO.

Pedro knocked the ball on with his head here, planning on taking it down in an extremely dangerous position and was completely taken out of the game by the defender who was nowhere near the ball.. IMO, it's almost the perfect example of when and why a pen should be given.

[Buzzo]

The amount of crying over this from them is hilarious.

No mention of how negative their tactics were, how they dug in for a 1 nil after 25 mins. How they time wasted all game. Fell over all game. How they created no chances second half when they needed to. Nope. Just them moaning about the ****ing ref as per

Worst fanbase out there.

[DerKrampus]

I'd be fuming if that was given against us.

[Kenneth]

But the fundamental point is sound, accidental contact can still be a foul. Carelessness is sufficient to award a free kick or penalty, as is impeding a player, whether or not contact was made with the ball.

Id argue that it wasn't just careless, it was reckless. When Jones's foot bounced off the ball and into a player he was red carded, not because he meant to do it, but because it was reckless to have made the tackle, as proven by the consequence of making it. Lunging with you heard towards the side of someone's head, even if the intention was to play the ball, is more dangerous that Jones's attempted tackle so it was reckless for the defender to try and win the ball like that in the first place.