Arsenal

[Rich]

Haven't been paying attention tbh - where is the Arsenal money coming from? Doesn't appear that they have the income to be at this level of spending...?

[Bender]

Trossard was opportunist and could be a decent signing this window for them.
Either way, they're active and looking to recruit to secure a PL title...

We don't seem to be at the races of late, especially with all the sale talk as a distraction...

Trossard now a benchwarmer

[Doc_Piptorious]

Haven't been paying attention tbh - where is the Arsenal money coming from? Doesn't appear that they have the income to be at this level of spending...?

Arsenal are pretty well run by all accounts.


This window and last window they have spent about 140m to 145m with the biggest transfer being 45m for Jesus. For that money they added seven names to their first team squad.


Not sure what their net spend is, but the above is their gross spend.

They also got a number of earners off of their book this season either through selling, releasing or loaning out.


So they have spent more than us this season but at a guess their gross spend is probably only 30m to 40m more than our own this season. Plus we did renew a number of players on pretty big new contracts.


Last season their gross spend was about the same (in around that 140m mark for seven players that went into their first team squad) but again they got rid of a number of guys on high wages.


They are not spending a massive amount (relatively speaking of course) but they are buying well for what they spend. Bit like what we were doing for a number of years.

Roughly a gross of 280m over four transfer windows that saw their first team squad get 14 additions.


Just looking back at their transfer windows and since Arteta came in their hit to miss ration has improved dramatically and their biggest transfers now are in the 30m to 50m range with most being a lot lower, whereas pre Arteta they had more big money flops and also went higher with their transfer fees paid out.

[Irishnev]

Trossard now a benchwarmer

Doesn’t matter - if they need a goal he can come off the bench and get it. They are looking to add one to each line which is keeping it fresh

[Maxiedge]

Arsenal are pretty well run by all accounts.


This window and last window they have spent about 140m to 145m with the biggest transfer being 45m for Jesus. For that money they added seven names to their first team squad.


Not sure what their net spend is, but the above is their gross spend.

They also got a number of earners off of their book this season either through selling, releasing or loaning out.


So they have spent more than us this season but at a guess their gross spend is probably only 30m to 40m more than our own this season. Plus we did renew a number of players on pretty big new contracts.


Last season their gross spend was about the same (in around that 140m mark for seven players that went into their first team squad) but again they got rid of a number of guys on high wages.


They are not spending a massive amount (relatively speaking of course) but they are buying well for what they spend. Bit like what we were doing for a number of years.

Roughly a gross of 280m over four transfer windows that saw their first team squad get 14 additions.


Just looking back at their transfer windows and since Arteta came in their hit to miss ration has improved dramatically and their biggest transfers now are in the 30m to 50m range with most being a lot lower, whereas pre Arteta they had more big money flops and also went higher with their transfer fees paid out.

However way you want to spin it, I think it boils down to the fact they are willing to take more risks financially while FSG have a tighter reign on the books. Think of the amount of dross Arsenal have signed recently. Are they still paying for Pepe? So I don't agree with the bit in bold although taking Zinchenko and Jesus off City's hands has worked out brilliantly for them.

Edit, Actually sorry, I take back the part about their transfers being misses, although end of last season, you would say that. They have really stepped up this season (e.g Ramsdale, Partey, Odegaard etc...) although for some reason, I wouldn't call them top players...yet.

[Bender]

Doesn’t matter - if they need a goal he can come off the bench and get it. They are looking to add one to each line which is keeping it fresh

Well let's see how any goals he gets

[spud_gun]

However way you want to spin it, I think it boils down to the fact they are willing to take more risks financially while FSG have a tighter reign on the books. Think of the amount of dross Arsenal have signed recently. Are they still paying for Pepe? So I don't agree with the bit in bold although taking Zinchenko and Jesus off City's hands has worked out brilliantly for them.

Stan Kroenke is willing to take more financial risks that FSG

He's been the majority shareholder there at Arsenal since 2010? 2011 and they've won 4 FA Cups in that time.

Give me FSG over Kroenke any day.

Some people are getting carried away on this thread. Arsenal strengthening from a position of strength. They've won nothing yet

[Doc_Piptorious]

However way you want to spin it, I think it boils down to the fact they are willing to take more risks financially while FSG have a tighter reign on the books. Think of the amount of dross Arsenal have signed recently. Are they still paying for Pepe? So I don't agree with the bit in bold although taking Zinchenko and Jesus off City's hands has worked out brilliantly for them.

I did say in the post you quoted that since Arteta came in they seemed to have changed how they buy players.

Less 70m+ flops like Pepe and much smarter buying of players with their big buys now being between 30m and 50m, with the upper end maybe happening once a window.

The massive punts on players stopped when Arteta came in.

14 additions to their first team squad for 280m over four transfer windows sees them averaging only 20m per player.

Whatever they are doing and whoever is doing their scouting and analytics since Arteta got there, they are doing something very right as they are adding to the first team squad steadily and almost every buy manages to fit in be it in a steady cover player manner or a first team starter hitting the ground running.

They are not spending huge money (over the past few windows) compared to a lot of other teams but they are spending within their means and spending it well.

As already said, they are doing this season and last season what we used to do in the transfer market and it is paying off for them at present as they have a pretty young squad full of good players that is now competing for the league title.


They are not an example of what we should be doing, they are instead a reminder of what we ourselves were doing and for whatever reason or reasons we have stopped doing what was working well for us.


Also not sure how you can disagree with the bit you put in bold when the players they have bought under Arteta have performed well despite being bought for lower average prices than what the Arsenal managers prior to Arteta were doing.

They have bought well under Arteta (along with him getting some of the players he inherited to up their games) and how they are performing in the league this season, with those players, is pretty proving that they did.

[Buzzo]

Its only a success once you are parading the trophies. Arsenal have put themselves in a great position, mid-season, but lets see where they are come the summer. If any team knows how hard it is to land the League it is us.

[Maxiedge]

Stan Kroenke is willing to take more financial risks that FSG

He's been the majority shareholder there at Arsenal since 2010? 2011 and they've won 4 FA Cups in that time.

Give me FSG over Kroenke any day.

Some people are getting carried away on this thread. Arsenal strengthening from a position of strength. They've won nothing yet

I did not in any way mean that as in I would prefer Kroenke over FSG, just that they are willing to be more flexible with their accounting to justify their spending. They have spent far more than Liverpool (net) in the last 5 years and yet have had far less revenue.

[Maxiedge]

I did say in the post you quoted that since Arteta came in they seemed to have changed how they buy players.

Less 70m+ flops like Pepe and much smarter buying of players with their big buys now being between 30m and 50m, with the upper end maybe happening once a window.

The massive punts on players stopped when Arteta came in.

14 additions to their first team squad for 280m over four transfer windows sees them averaging only 20m per player.

Whatever they are doing and whoever is doing their scouting and analytics since Arteta got there, they are doing something very right as they are adding to the first team squad steadily and almost every buy manages to fit in be it in a steady cover player manner or a first team starter hitting the ground running.

They are not spending huge money (over the past few windows) compared to a lot of other teams but they are spending within their means and spending it well.

As already said, they are doing this season and last season what we used to do in the transfer market and it is paying off for them at present as they have a pretty young squad full of good players that is now competing for the league title.


They are not an example of what we should be doing, they are instead a reminder of what we ourselves were doing and for whatever reason or reasons we have stopped doing what was working well for us.


Also not sure how you can disagree with the bit you put in bold when the players they have bought under Arteta have performed well despite being bought for lower average prices than what the Arsenal managers prior to Arteta were doing.

They have bought well under Arteta (along with him getting some of the players he inherited to up their games) and how they are performing in the league this season, with those players, is pretty proving that they did.

Again, I have to pick you up on that It's pretty insane how they have managed to play their first team (bar Jesus) in every game this season. Not bemoaning their luck, just that they their squad hasn't been tested to say that it's a good squad. Good first team, yes. Good squad...personally I think they're far off and hence looking to buy in Jan.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Its only a success once you are parading the trophies. Arsenal have put themselves in a great position, mid-season, but lets see where they are come the summer. If any team knows how hard it is to land the League it is us.

Nobody has said they have been a complete success though afaik.

Just that they have bought well since Arteta came in.

How they are playing under him, the massive improvement since last season already, and the new players from last season and this season playing big roles in that pretty much highlights that they have bought well and improved .

Success will of course be measured in silverware (for the big clubs anyway) and maybe top four finishes (depending on what their target for this season was), but if we look at points earned this season vs £ spent then they are doing bloody well.

My guess is that winning the title was not a realistic target for them last July and that there aim may have been to get top four this season with any cup being a bonus. So success for them this season may well still be that and anything extra is a bonus.

They do win the title though and that will be the league title and the FA cup under Arteta plus having one of the younger squads in the league from a gross spend of roughly 280m under him.

What Arsenal are showing is that you can go, in the space of a season to a season and a half from being a team outside the top for to one fighting hard for the title without buying 100m pound players and without dropping 350 million or whatever Chelsea have spent this season alone.


Arsenal are doing what we did and what we will hopefully do again from next season, and that is go toe to toe against the clubs with the bottomless wallets.

Maybe they only manage to do that for this season, maybe they will be up there for two or three seasons, but they have started to buy well the past two seasons without tossing massive sums about and it is showing on the pitch.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Again, I have to pick you up on that It's pretty insane how they have managed to play their first team (bar Jesus) in every game this season. Not bemoaning their luck, just that they their squad hasn't been tested to say that it's a good squad. Good first team, yes. Good squad...personally I think they're far off and hence looking to buy in Jan.

Bit like us in our title winning season then, where we avoided injuries.

Course you could also say that our squad is pretty far off being a good one given that every season it gets tested with injuries we seem to fall apart somewhat.

[Maxiedge]

Bit like us in our title winning season then, where we avoided injuries.

Course you could also say that our squad is pretty far off being a good one given that every season it gets tested with injuries we seem to fall apart somewhat.

Yeah but we have no in-between, it’s either a clear run or cursed …absolutely riddled

[danperkins]

Let's see if they actually get him this window before deciding that.

Last week they were getting Camavinga.

With the money Arsenal have spent in the last few seasons, it's clear that they want to push forward & it's working. They have wasted money on some **** in the past but they seemed to have gotten their **** together. It's their intent to sign whilst in a position of power which imo is smart, even if nothing is won yet & Trossard for 20m is a steal for their squad.

Anyways, hopefully they burn out but at the very least they will be playing champs league football next season.