Premier League fixtures 13/14/15 August

[Bender]

Yes Bender, i clearly 'hate' him.

well clearly you don't think he's any good

[red g]

I know i'll get slated for this, but Ashley Young looks a far more dangerous player than Downing.

I dont think he does on that performance at all, Sunderland are a tighter more compact unit and Youngs goal was spawny as ****. Downing could have had a goal on another day.

Young has speed, |Downing has a better delivery. Young is also a bit of a headless chicken.

Downing looked **** in the second half but so did all our team.

I am quite confident that Downing will add more to our team, than Young wil to Scums.

[Craig_H]

well clearly you don't think he's any good

FFS, wish people would actually read what i post.

I think he is good, but he's not top quality and he wont be a game-changer/matchwinner on a regular basis for us.

And one other question - if i dont think a player is any good, does that mean i hate him?

[Bender]

FFS, wish people would actually read what i post.

I think he is good, but he's not top quality and he wont be a game-changer/matchwinner on a regular basis for us.

And one other question - if i dont think a player is any good, does that mean i hate him?

you don't know that.....make that assesment after he has played a good number of games for the club!
Absolutely ! glad we sorted that out ......

you keep rolling them eyes like that they'll get stuck and you'll end up doh eyed like Alberto Aquilani

[Kenneth]

He wont consistently make the difference, no. Young will do so far more than Downing does.

What does that actually mean? Just a casual Arnism?

[Craig_H]

It's called an opinion bender. It's all any of us can offer, nobody 'knows' the future.

But it's an opinion of having watched a player for a number of years. Do you not form opinions of players?

And the 'hate' thing is ridiculous.

[Craig_H]

What does that actually mean? Just a casual Arnism?

It's fairly straightforward english mate.

Downing wont consistently make the difference, whereas Young will do so, far more often IMO.

[Bender]

It's called an opinion bender. It's all any of us can offer, nobody 'knows' the future.

But it's an opinion of having watched a player for a number of years. Do you not form opinions of players?

And the 'hate' thing is ridiculous.

All opinions welcome .....do i form opinions yes all chav and scum players

[BrooklynRed]

I think Young is flattered by the formation and by his own discipline in staying out left. Having Rooney in the hole helpsTREMENDOUSLY; positional discipline is the key to United. The players don't panic and start changing and improvising; Nani stayed on the right and Young stayed on the left, Rooney played the #10 role in the hole and they stuck to the proper shape.

By contrast, we had no one in the #10 playmaking midfield role and Downing, once Suarez left, was asked (I hope) to roam; he abandoned the left wing, we lost our shape, he and Dirk started switching until Miereles came on and then RM went out left, etc etc. It was, in my opinion, a mistake for our team not to have Aquilani in the hole once Suarez went off; Downing had a very good first half and put a brilliant shot off the bar, but once we took out Suarez and Henderson, the team was pissing in the wind.

This is the difference between United and us, IMO. There, everyone plays their part and the chances are spread around the team depending on where the balls and passes land. With us, without Suarez and, frankly, Gerrard, we're chasing formations, trying to be fluid, but players drift in and out of position and we just look confused, especially with so many new boys figuring one another out.

Anyway, if Liverpool can simply swap players into the system and have positional and systemic discipline like United does, we'll be flying. Downing should LIVE on the left. It is his, he owns it, he should stay there, interchange if necessary when a situation calls for it, but get back to his position asap.

[Mostar]

It's fairly straightforward english mate.

Downing wont consistently make the difference, whereas Young will do so, far more often IMO.

I disagree. last season he was player of the year for Villa and imo impressed more than Young.

Even this week I thought he had a better game overall than Ashley just was less fortunate.

[Shaggy]

There was a poll on a Villa forum in May, when it looked likely both Downing & Young would leave, and the question was who would you rather keep. It was around 90% Downing.

[Craig_H]

I dont doubt that, but what they did last season for Villa is of no consequence to us this season, when i think Young will be far more dangerous for them than Downing will be for us.

He'll create more and have a greater impact on them winning games, than Downing does on us winning games.

IMO, before people state the obvious fact that i cant tell the future.

[Neil Young]

I can see why they were compared when they were at Villa but I don't see the point of it now.

[GraciousGooner]

There was a poll on a Villa forum in May, when it looked likely both Downing & Young would leave, and the question was who would you rather keep. It was around 90% Downing.

Young was about a yard onside as well, left centre back playing him well on. There's more passion in utd threads than Liverpool ones. For the record:

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[Craig_H]

I disagree. last season he was player of the year for Villa and imo impressed more than Young.

Even this week I thought he had a better game overall than Ashley just was less fortunate.

You could put it down to that, i suppose.

From what i saw though, when we needed something to find a winner, Downing was anonymous. When they needed a winner, Young was directly instrumental in them getting it.

It was only one game, of course. I predict that it wont be a one-off occurance throughout the season though.