Racism in Football

[fah-q]

That's a good distinction, certainly as a guideline for 'good practice' in the use of insults and banter.




I'm not at all sure of that. You think he represses the urge to say similar things to Cole, Malouda and Drogba etc? I think he wanted to be aggressive and draw a response from an opponent in a horrible, unsophisticated way.

I haven't had a lot of experience with racism, growing up in Mid Wales is hardly cosmopolitan. When it does happen it's usually more certain with the use of clearly racist terms. It happened a bit in school and i'd always make a stand against it and took a few whacks doing so. Perhaps it's my somewhat sheltered and idealised personal view that fails to see the racism (predjudice or race based hatred) in the term black.

PS: e.g. If Evra is right and Suarez was whispering the N-bomb to him during the game, that would IMO be a far worse offence

PPS: My wife is black

At primary school, we had a pretty ethnically mixed bunch of kids but the racism from some of the teachers was shocking. One of the "old fashioned" teachers used make fun of the black kids. I remember once he said something along the lines of "I could write on your face as a blackboard" and he used to refer to them as "Spear chuckers". They definitely used to use the word Black in a negative way.

[IN_RAFA_WE_TRUST]

Did they sue that cunt of a teacher?

[Kenneth]

Spear chuckers

****ing disgraceful behaviour from a teacher. What kind of chance did those kids have when even teachers have such attitudes.

[Tee]

At primary school, we had a pretty ethnically mixed bunch of kids but the racism from some of the teachers was shocking. One of the "old fashioned" teachers used make fun of the black kids. I remember once he said something along the lines of "I could write on your face as a blackboard" and he used to refer to them as "Spear chuckers". They definitely used to use the word Black in a negative way.

WTF? Was that in the 50s or 60s?

[fah-q]

No, this was the early 80's so suing them didn't really happen.

The area I grew up in had an aging white population that was partly feeling somewhat aggrieved by the influx of Asian and Black communities so the attitude was all too common. I can't really remember what happened to the teacher but he wasn't a lone voice sadly.

[Norbs]

At primary school in the 70s, racism went pretty unchallenged and in the mostpart it was teasing of a minority by children who have been tought no better. It was also quite prevalent but never hateful from personal experience. My children have been through school from the mid 90s and teaching against the harms of racism is commonplace, ergo today's children are no longer ignorant to racist behaviour. I'm proud that my children are not racist but also aware that it'd be sanctimonious of me to criticise the older generation who honestly knew no better.

[Tee]

No, this was the early 80's so suing them didn't really happen.

The area I grew up in had an aging white population that was partly feeling somewhat aggrieved by the influx of Asian and Black communities so the attitude was all too common. I can't really remember what happened to the teacher but he wasn't a lone voice sadly.

I remember my next door neighbours were a white family and as a kid I used to play with the girl next door. She was a lovely girl who loved coming round to our house to play (we were only about 8 years old) but when it was about 5.30pm here old man used to get back from work and he would go mental at her if she was round ours. He never ever even said hello to me.

[fah-q]

My Dad was an immigrant so I suppose I was brought up to be sufficiently shocked by that behaviour even as a kid but certainly the attitudes of society were there sometimes fairly openly.

I'd like to say it has got better but I just think it has largely been suppressed rather than eradicated.

[Shaggy]

Debating this with a mate who also doesn't think "black cunt" is racist.

The oppression they suffered years ago is disgusting but I don't see how calling someone a black cnut in the heat of the moment on a football pitch has anything to do with that. This is I suppose the problem I have with it. Bringing up oppression of yesteryear somehow implies that because you called someone black you're just like one of them (oppressors).

Oh and it's perfectly fine for any black person to use the word n1gger. Is it offensive or not? They need to make up their minds instead of using it just to their advantage when it suits.

[Gray]

Cunt is such a great word. These racists are ruining it.

[Craig_H]

Just on the issue of the 'n' word, i honestly dont think it's appropriate or 'ok' for anyone to use it, be they black, white or anything else.

[Kenneth]

I agree. Just because someone is black does not mean that they can choose to 'reclaim' a word who's meaning mainly symbolises the suffering of previous generations of black people. 'Reclaiming the n word might lessen it's modern day usage against black people but that isn't going to somehow reduce racism, other words will take it's place in that respect.

[Nick77]

Cunt players, cunt manager, cunt fans and cunt club.

That's more how I feel about the team in Manc-land...

[BillobShaisley]

I find that amazing to be honest.

How would you feel if someone walked up to you and your missus in the supermarket and called your wife a "****ing black cunt"? You honestly wouldn't feel he was being racist?

In that context, there'd be so many things that were out of order I wouldn't know where to start.

To put it in a more similar context, if someone we had known for a long time and had never been racist previously, in the middle of an argument where they felt my Mrs wrongly accused them in some way said 'I never did that you stupid black cunt'. I would be upset for sure, but I wouldn't immediately percieve it to be racist. If it was a bloke then the cunt would be fighting talk anyway. If it was a female then there'd be words about what was meant and to be carefull how they spoke etc.

I think there could be something about the rule of 3's in this. Saying things in groups of 3 not only sounds better but comes naturally too. What distinguishing feature does Anton have? He's not fat, ginger, a manc or chav, doesn't have a big nose etc so what in an instant comes to mind to fill that gap between stupid and cunt?

[Shaggy]

He could've called him a tall cunt. He could've called him an East End cunt. He could've just called him a cunt. But he didn't, he called him a ****ing black cunt.

Yeah my example wasn't the best, but still...I'm pretty sure you'd be rightfully disgusted if someone called your wife a black cunt.