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    #31
    Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
    Sorry to be pedantic, but there's no 'side of the draw' with the FA Cup, it's a random draw* so you can draw anyone.


    * - allegedly.


    I know that, just a figure of speech.
    *Except Michael, who died.

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      #32
      Originally posted by ChesterDave View Post
      But if they were seeded it makes it much more likely you will face lower league opponents
      but as you progress it will get harder and harder, then eventually, you will face the big teams in the latter stages.
      *Except Michael, who died.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Alex View Post
        but as you progress it will get harder and harder, then eventually, you will face the big teams in the latter stages.
        True, but then you'd be garanteed to only face a couple of top teams, which would make a cl place even more dubious.
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          #34
          Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
          You keep clinging to this 'easy' stuff, despite the fact that nobody ever suggested it was easy.
          Alex said "It's too easy" and I don't think it's easy to win the FA Cup.

          It's much harder to win the league but no way is it easy.

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            #35
            Originally posted by topscorer View Post
            Alex said "It's too easy" and I don't think it's easy to win the FA Cup.

            It's much harder to win the league but no way is it easy.
            He didnt mean it in the literal sense, did he?

            He meant, compared to having to manage 38 games to get into the CL, doing it by winning just 7 ties is 'too easy'.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
              He didnt mean it in the literal sense, did he?

              He meant, compared to having to manage 38 games to get into the CL, doing it by winning just 7 ties is 'too easy'.


              Thats exactly it.
              *Except Michael, who died.

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                #37
                Craig you are always one for jumping onto someone based on what they write and not what they mean and now you keep going to me about no one said its easy and when I point out Alex did say its easy you pull out the 'he didn't mean it literally line'.

                Anyway, I don't want to have an argument about language, Alex has confirmed that he didn't mean it's easy and that's good enough for me. I thought he meant exactly what he wrote and that it's too easy to win the FA Cup.

                Anyway, my other point is that Platini seemed to be saying that cup winners would only get into the play off stages but the champions will get straight into the group stages and will presumably be seeded so the much harder competition to win will give a bigger reward.

                As for the chance of a non EPL team getting into the CL I think it's no more ridiculous than some of the small nation teams that currently get into the tournament but it can easily be stopped by just having a rule that you have to be in the top flight to represent your nation in European competition.

                We've already had championship sides in the Europe, Birmingham just this year so it's not like it hasn't happened already.

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                  #38
                  The question wasnt about Championship sides in 'Europe', it was about them in the CL, which has never happened.

                  I'll stop now, before i'm 'jumping on you'

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                    #39
                    its certainly not easy to win the FA Cup. The League Cup though, that's a piece of piss.
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                      The question wasnt about Championship sides in 'Europe', it was about them in the CL, which has never happened.

                      I'll stop now, before i'm 'jumping on you'
                      Haha

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Kenneth View Post
                        Easier or not, winning a cup is certainly more of a lottery. The teams you face are not even for all so the achievement is not the same for all teams. The league is the 'fairest' competition and the best way of deciding CL places imo. A championship team in the CL really would be ridiculous.
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                          #42
                          Only one team can win the league one from 20. And only one team can win the cup - one from 96+.

                          If it has a champions league position as its prize, teams will put a lot more effort. The only reason people see them as easier is because teams field weakend sides.

                          The league is also far more forgiving of mistakes, and luck evens out more.

                          I think the idea is great, not least because we may get into the damn thing. If we dont soon, we will stuggle to compete.
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                            #43
                            The reason the FA Cup is easier is because you have 6 games (as a PL club), and it's very much a luck of the draw as to how difficult a run you get. Look at the teams that made the semis this year and the teams they played:

                            Liverpool: Oldham, Man Utd, Brighton, Stoke, Everton

                            Everton: Tamworth, Fulham, Blackpool, Sunderland, Liverpool

                            Chelsea: Portsmouth, QPR, Birmingham, Leicester, Tottenham

                            Tottenham: Cheltenham, Watford, Stevenage, Bolton, Chelsea

                            We're had the hardest run having played 3 premiership clubs so far, two of which were in the top 8
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