Andy Carroll

[The_weatherman]

What makes you think that?

He got the best out of Torres and Gerrard, he was constantly pointing out what to do and IIRC he was teaching Torres about positioning, along with Valero.

[dom9]

You might be right, but Gerrard and Torres were far superior players.

If Dalglish can't help Carroll, I'm not sure who can.

[rudedog]

He got the best out of Torres and Gerrard, he was constantly pointing out what to do and IIRC he was teaching Torres about positioning, along with Valero.

What about Baros, Cisse and Babel?

[Lecter]

He just stands there waiting for the ball to come to him. Really static. Not many off the ball runs. Downing's failure could be in part because Carroll does not get forward in an intelligent enough manner.

Downings failure is because he has no bottle whatsoever, hes chicken

As for Carroll you might be right but I think we've seen him growing as a player over the last few weeks

Look at the run he made for Suarez's goal against Everton he was positioned perfectly to either receive a pass to put it in and that created indecision in Howard who instead of closing the ball down hesitated

[Lecter]

What about Baros, Cisse and Babel?

and Robbie Keane

[The_weatherman]

What about Baros, Cisse and Babel?

Well, I'm hoping Andy isn't as brainless as those three. Maybe just wishful thinking.

Keane didn't fit into the team.

[The_weatherman]

You might be right, but Gerrard and Torres were far superior players.

If Dalglish can't help Carroll, I'm not sure who can.

I'm not sure Kenny is the best coach out there tbh. We have not seen any improvements in the players we signed.

[dom9]

Downings failure is because he has no bottle whatsoever, hes chicken

As for Carroll you might be right but I think we've seen him growing as a player over the last few weeks

Look at the run he made for Suarez's goal against Everton he was positioned perfectly to either receive a pass to put it in and that created indecision in Howard who instead of closing the ball down hesitated

Downing has put in a lot of crosses. They just miss everybody. If people aren't there, that is not 100% his fault.

IRO Carroll's run, I'd kinda expect that to happen more often. It is his job after all. One offs are all well and good but more is required surely?

[Mattshark]

Downing has put in a lot of crosses. They just miss everybody. If people aren't there, that is not 100% his fault.

IRO Carroll's run, I'd kinda expect that to happen more often. It is his job after all. One offs are all well and good but more is required surely?

He could always look up and aim the crosses.

[dom9]

I'm not sure Kenny is the best coach out there tbh. We have not seen any improvements in the players we signed.

I remember Beardsley saying that he thought he was the bees knees when he first came to Liverpool. Then Dalglish taught him so much more and improved him again. Subtle things like awareness, movement, giving yourself a yard in a crowded area.

Best coach, no. Best man to help attackers change their approach for the better? Maybe.

[Pablo]

I pretty much agree with Dom, Carroll comes across as a total amateur at times, raw in the extreme.

But I think he's being coached on his movement and positioning all the time and he's now starting to learn and show consistent improvement.

I think he will get there in the end if he keeps trying hard to learn. There's a good player in there somewhere, I just hope we get to see it before we give up on him.

[dom9]

He could always look up and aim the crosses.

Shall we settle on a percentage of faultedness? 90% about right?

[Mattshark]

Shall we settle on a percentage of faultedness? 90% about right?

Sounds about right, neither player has shown enough to take us where we want to be basically.

[Lecter]

Downing has put in a lot of crosses. They just miss everybody. If people aren't there, that is not 100% his fault.

IRO Carroll's run, I'd kinda expect that to happen more often. It is his job after all. One offs are all well and good but more is required surely?

Downing should show more bottle and beat men and get to the byline before crossing

This he rarely does.

He'd rather abdicate responsibility and cross from further up the pitch which in general are easier to defend against and harder to score from

Yes Carroll should do more but I think we have seen some signs of improvement in all departments of Carrolls game

[Lecter]

I pretty much agree with Dom, Carroll comes across as a total amateur at times, raw in the extreme.

But I think he's being coached on his movement and positioning all the time and he's now starting to learn and show consistent improvement.

I think he will get there in the end if he keeps trying hard to learn. There's a good player in there somewhere, I just hope we get to see it before we give up on him.