Hodgson - I dont know why I'm here; smint?

[Exiled_red]

The reaction to this is so depressing. The professionally offended should **** right off as they're doing more harm than good.

I obviously don't like Hodgson and watching the FA squirm is always fun, but this is a nothing story that people are making a big deal out of.

The more interesting thing for me is who leaked it to the press, I thought there was a good team spirit and unity in the England dressing room, but it must have been someone in there who leaked it

[Kenneth]

Yeah. I am all for taking the mickey out of Roy for his various short comings as a coach, but this is political correctness gone mad. Particularly if Townsend and Smalling are not offended. Being offended by proxy is just wrong.

Conceptually, offence by proxy, or indirect offence to those not directly involved is possible. But I don't believe for one minute that the association of black lawyers bloke is offended in the slightest. His livelihood depends on his profile and his profile is achieved by finding ways to appear in the media. He is paid to think of ways to contrive offence into any situation possible and being an intelligent guy he always comes up with something and knows how to get a headline. And the media, particularly the bbc, who are treading on egg shells, give him every opportunity.

[tufty]

The reaction to this is so depressing. The professionally offended should **** right off as they're doing more harm than good.

Yeah. I am all for taking the mickey out of Roy for his various short comings as a coach, but this is political correctness gone mad. Particularly if Townsend and Smalling are not offended. Being offended by proxy is just wrong.

would hate to have to do an interview in this day and age, virtually anything said can be somehow associated with racism

[Shaggy]

would hate to have to do an interview in this day and age, virtually anything said can be somehow associated with racism

I remember when Gary Lineker said about Ian Wright....

"He's a very good player but he does have a black side"

[Buzzo]

I'll have a pint of whatever you've been drinking

Edit: Hmmm. This was supposed to be in response to the thought that England may win the WC.

[dom9]

The reaction to this is so depressing. The professionally offended should **** right off as they're doing more harm than good.

[Vermilion]

[Buzzo]

Conceptually, offence by proxy, or indirect offence to those not directly involved is possible. But I don't believe for one minute that the association of black lawyers bloke is offended in the slightest. His livelihood depends on his profile and his profile is achieved by finding ways to appear in the media. He is paid to think of ways to contrive offence into any situation possible and being an intelligent guy he always comes up with something and knows how to get a headline. And the media, particularly the bbc, who are treading on egg shells, give him every opportunity.

True. I guess I mean in this instance where there is clearly no intent offence by proxy just doesn't work. It appears that in this instance Roy has made an 'error' in using an analogy using a monkey in the proximity of black players. It is ridiculous. Does that mean this story can only be told in the company of White people where no monkey/black person relationship can be inferred. In this instance it is those who are offended who are being racist by making an association that was not intended.

The whole thing is a farce which will no doubt sell a few papers. The entre point of the message about kicking racism out of football will be lost if the media make issues out of the wrong stories. It completely dilutes a serious point.

[Vermilion]

Some journalist was on talksport saying he'd spoken to one of the players who says that the official version is nothing like what actually happened - that he was offended and their was much swearing involved.

In a football dressing room at half time!?

[Sarb]

Leaking of the actual story by a player to the press doesnt say much for team morale really

[Vermilion]

Also, if this player was really offended having taken it totally the wrong way, why the **** would his first port of call be the **** Rag!? and not Kick it out or even the Players union? or the FA even?

Why call the press?! Seems odd imo.

I'm beginning to wonder if the player even exists, or if the Rag got it from an after game party, or in the mingling area after overhearing players talking about it ? nothing is beyond that piece of ****ty rag!

[BobTheCharmer]

Leaking of the actual story by a player to the press doesnt say much for team morale really

Or there's a disgruntled cunt amongst them who isn't getting picked.

[Chazza]

Or there's a disgruntled cunt amongst them who isn't getting picked.

Phil Jones

[Sarb]

Or there's a disgruntled cunt amongst them who isn't getting picked.

Yep. One disgruntled cunt could ruin the whole thing

Whatever way though, its still a long winded way to tell someone at half time to pass the ball to a player. Even Stan Collymore said it

[baitman]

Whatever way though, its still a long winded way to tell someone at half time to pass the ball to a player.

woy wudnt want to make his pwoint in a bweif and concise way when you coould quite easily waffle for 10 minutes and flob out a couple of pints of saliva to ensure you make your pwoint.