Clattenburg

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Thats because FIFA/FA tolerate this type of behaviour. Some of the rules governing the game need to be really looked at as the game is certainly not gentlemanly.

If football took the stance of Rugby where any abuse of officials means a freekick or the movement of a freekick a further 10 yards forward or in the worst case scenario a sin bin type punishment that would help reduce the abuse officials get.

But unfortunatley the men running the game are stuck in a bygone (corrupt?) age.

Yes but that would mean scum playing with 6 men and the opposition having to take free kicks from the touchline so this will never happen

[Vermilion]

These allegations, it will apparently be easy to prove either way as he was mic'd up, but i wondered whether the respective clubs have access to the recording after the game, not for this instance only, but generally, you'd think it would help them to understand why certain decsions were given then.

I doubt it tbh, but in the interests of total transparency, maybe it should be ?

I think you can hear everything a rugby ref says during a game ?

[ChesterDave]

Its not recorded.

[Vermilion]

Its not recorded.

Well that's a bit dumb! It's open mic then, but that still means it comes down to what people heard, or think they heard, which is daft, and won't imo provide definitive proof if anyone listening disagrees on what they heard.

[Bender]

will have to be lip read

[ChesterDave]

I says its nor recorded... Thats according to the PLGMOL or whatever the correct acronym is. It could be atsdr convering from them but I guess that would be quickly exposed as a lie.

[Gaz]

I think you can hear everything a rugby ref says during a game ?

Yep, you can also pick up what the players close to him are saying, it would definitely make players think twice before slinging a load of abuse at the match officials if they knew it would be picked up.

Look at the way the officials are treated in Rugby and then compare it to football the difference is night and day, I never thought I'd say it but our sport could learn a lot from the egg chasers

[Vermilion]

Yep, you can also pick up what the players close to him are saying, it would definitely make players think twice before slinging a load of abuse at the match officials if they knew it would be picked up.

Look at the way the officials are treated in Rugby and then compare it to football the difference is night and day, I never thought I'd say it but our sport could learn a lot from the egg chasers

Aye, would be very interesting to hear.

[G]

Graham Polls column on the 19th of October seems quite apt

A welcome return to Premier League action and what a game to start with – Spurs v Chelsea at White Hart Lane.
I remember well the last time I refereed this fixture back on November 5, 2006 when I had to send Chelsea’s John Terry off in Tottenham’s 2-1 win – it seemed a straight forward dismissal even though Terry was England captain.
What followed was incredible as Terry, Ashley Cole and other Chelsea players set about trying to tarnish my reputation by inventing stories about what I was supposed to have said to them on the field that day.

Whilst they retracted the statements later it showed the difficulties for modern day referees who all too often feel isolated and unsupported when facing the might of millionaire footballers and mega-rich clubs.

[Chazza]

Winter: Clattenburg could face axe
October 29, 2012

Former Premier League referee Jeff Winter does not anticipate that Mark Clattenburg will officiate a match again if it is proven that he racially abused a Chelsea player in Sunday's game at Stamford Bridge.

Chelsea have lodged an official complaint over alleged "inappropriate language" used by Clattenburg towards two of their players during their 3-2 defeat to Manchester United on Sunday.

The Football Association has told ESPN it is awaiting the reports regarding the accusation before taking the next course of action, while the Professional Game Match Officials has stated that it is treating the complaint "with the utmost seriousness".

It is reported in The Guardian that Chelsea officials briefed journalists that one part of the allegation concerns language of a racist nature, and Winter feels Clattenburg's future in the game will be untenable if he is found guilty of such an offence.

Winter, who refereed for over 25 years, told Radio 5 Live: "If a match official has used racial insults or language to a player then he's for the high jump. He won't be getting a four-match or an eight-match ban, it'll probably be the end of his career, but that is if indeed he did say anything."

He added: "I feel it very unlikely that Mark Clattenburg would be allowed to referee until it's dealt with so we certainly don't want this going on for weeks and months."

Winter said he found it "ironic" that a referee has been accused of using inappropriate language given that officials are subjected to abuse from players and fans at almost every match.

He said: "Initially it is insulting words and I must admit I smiled at that because we watch football matches every week of the year hearing players use insulting words to referees and then somebody takes umbrage when somebody allegedly says something back. But I just hope this can be cleared.

"It's slightly ironic that players dish it out left, right and centre and then if, and there is a massive if, if something has been said back - and we're not talking about racial here, we're talking about like for like - then I don't think anybody's got a right to complain.

"I'm not saying referees should do it, but there seems to be one law for one set of people and one law for another, but this inference that racial language has been used is very, very serious."

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1205935/jeff-winter:-referee-mark-clattenburg-could-face-axe?cc=5739#

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"It's slightly ironic that players dish it out left, right and centre and then if, and there is a massive if, if something has been said back - and we're not talking about racial here, we're talking about like for like - then I don't think anybody's got a right to complain.

"I'm not saying referees should do it, but there seems to be one law for one set of people and one law for another, but this inference that racial language has been used is very, very serious."

I sort of agree with the above, but the whole point for me is that Referees are not players, they are officials, there to officiate by way of laws laid down by the governing bodies, if a ref is getting into slagging matches with players, then imo he's not doing his job, and it's why he lost control of the game and gave wrong decisions imo, it got personal.

[Pablo]

They are meant to be the standard bearers, so getting into a slanging match shouldn't really be something they should aspire to.

Take a teacher for example, if he/she takes all kinds of abuse from one of his/her pupils, is it fair enough that the teacher dishes it all back? No, the teacher is meant to set an example, so I don't think it is.

That analogy works well as all professional footballers are basically school kids that never grew up

[Vermilion]

Good anlaongy.

[Tee]

Good anlaongy.

[Vermilion]

I didn't write that!?

Although, i'm hopeless at typing quickly.