Yes yes Neil. Everything is worse nowadays, and back in your day it would never have happened. Snow was worse too and Creme Eggs were bigger.
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Hmmmmmm, not sure about this one Muds.Originally posted by Muddled View PostBut Wagon Wheels are defo smaller now, compared to the great eighties.
Dear Mr WagonWheel.
I was recently perusing the biscuit aisle of my local supermarket when the wrapper for your delicious biscuit based snack, the Wagon Wheel, caught my eye. I bought myself a multi-pack and took them home. When I arrived home I proudly took them out of the wrapper and placed them on a plate, and then took them into the living room where my Mother and Father were sat. I proclaimed:
“I have brought Wagon Wheels for you!”
My Father took one look at the plate and said:
“I’m not eating them! I remember when I was a lad Wagon Wheels where the actual size of the wheels of a wagon. It’s all the fault of these obese kiddies. They have had to shrink them because little kiddies these days will eat a whole multi-pack and turn themselves into a whale of a kid.”
I disagreed with my Father and told him that it was probably just perspective, as when he was a child with his small child hands the Wagon Wheel would look larger in comparison to the way it looks in his big man-hands. He would not believe me so I investigated the matter further using the Internet and here are my finding:
First, I studied my Father’s claim that Wagon Wheels used to be the size of an actual wheel from a wagon. My research uncovered that most prairie type wagons had a wheel diameter of 22”. Most covered wagons (or ‘Lil Runners, as they were more commonly known) had larger wheels coming in at around a 25-28” diameter. I considered that to maintain a decent profit margin you would have probably have used the smaller type of wagon wheel to base your biscuit snack on. So I drew out a 22” diameter circle on a piece of cardboard and cut it out to show my Father. I then worked our the diameter of the common-day Wagon Wheel Biscuit by finding the circumference and using Pi and then deducing the diameter from that.
I borrowed a small projector from work and wrote on the first laminate:
“If your statement is correct Father: Today’s Wagon Wheel is roughly 18” smaller that it was in 1955.”
I showed him the cardboard cut out of the size he believed Wagons Wheels to be and ran through the statistics and a few argument I had raised to disprove his theory such as the fact that genetically humans are getting larger as a species so again perspective will play it’s part. The cost of importing cocoa and other ingredients have dropped rapidly since the 1950’s so logic would suggest that it would be more profitable now to make bigger Wagon Wheels than in the 1950’s.
After my presentation I asked my Father if he still believed that Wagon Wheels used to be bigger. He said he still believed that Wagon Wheels used to be the size of an actual Wagon Wheel. So this is why I am emailing you today.
Could you please tell me if the Wagon Wheel has varied in size in the last 50 years and, as my Father suggests used to be the size of an actual Wagon Wheel, and if so, is it the fault of all the obese kiddies? Or, have Wagon Wheels always been the same size and is my Father a liar?
Please could you reply as soon as possible as this is the only way we will be able to resolve this family dispute, as it is causing a lot of friction between us.
Yours Sincerely
Russell Palmer
Wagon Wheel (Burtons Foods) Reply
Dear Mr Palmer
Thank you for your email regarding Wagon Wheels and their size.
The following may help – from the horse’s mouth so to speak!
… Records show that the size of the Wagon Wheel has not changed in more than 40 years. The only physical difference between the Wagon Wheel of today and the very first production if that it no longer has a scalloped edge. This was removed many years ago so that the product could be wrapped automatically. The perception amongst some consumers that Wagon Wheels are now smaller is the result of tighter packaging around the biscuit., compared to the packaging we used in the past. Another key point is that many of today’s adults consumers were also consumers as children and the perception of a child is that everything is “relatively bigger”….
We are sure that you Father will still not believe us, but we think we can safely say Wagon Wheels never measured 22” or more in diameter.
Thank you for taking the time and trouble to contact us, it is always good to hear from our customers.
Kind Regards
Consumer Services Department
Burton Foods Ltd.That rug really tied the room together.
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Hmmn. As always, Liverpel - I appreciate your posts - but I'm gonna go with my gut.
I also have photographic evidence, with an eighties Wagon Wheel on the right and the pathetic modern version on the left:

Only a subtle difference that's hard to notice to the naked eye, but I think we could be on to something.
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Originally posted by Muddled View PostHmmn. As always, Liverpel - I appreciate your posts - but I'm gonna go with my gut.
I also have photographic evidence, with an eighties Wagon Wheel on the right and the pathetic modern version on the left:

Only a subtle difference that's hard to notice to the naked eye, but I think we could be on to something.

Conclusive.
Not much gets past you, Mudds. Oh no. Oh no.
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No idea on wages piece but that price for Sissoko is ridiculous. Debuchy is a very good purchase too.Originally posted by Captain Stu View PostSissoko for around €2M is a great, great piece of business as was signing Debuchy... as for the others, I'm really not sure.
Said to a Newcastle-supporting mate of mine last night - Newcastle could **** their own season right up here by signing so many new players from a weak league and trying to bring them all into the team at once.
One of the guys is a left back, another is a centre back and Debuchy at right back... so he could have three quarters of his defence completely new. Shift Santon forward?
I personally think he'll go three in the middle - Tiote holding, Cabaye spraying the ball around and Sissoko as the box-to-box but again that's a serious change to be making mid-season.
Imo they made some very smart and shrewed buys that will pay dividends very soon.Originally posted by Nigey View PostI think Newcastle made some bargains there.Member #1 of the Luis Suarez fan club
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West Bromwich Albion striker Peter Odemwingie is said to be upset that his transfer request was rejected, according to Sky Sports.
"I'm deeply hurt and in some ways offended by the lack of reciprocal common respect from the management of West Bromwich Albion," he said in a statement.
"During my time at the club I believe I have delivered performances, effort and goals. I never complained when I found out that the club failed to inform me of enquiries that might have interested me and my family in the past."
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Arsenal reporter Paul Chronnell from the Islington Gazette: "Arsene Wenger is starting to make familiar noises about the strength of his squad and players coming back from injury. But I am sure he wants to bring in at least one player before 31 January. Ideally, we need cover in central defence, central midfield and up front.
"The names that have been linked so far are Adrian Lopez (Atletico Madrid), Lucas Biglia (Anderlecht), and James McCarthy (Wigan), while as for outgoing Andrey Arshavin and Sebastien Squillaci would be handy to get off the wage bill, and never play. Both have proved fairly disastrous signings."
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Originally posted by Alex View PostI don't know why I reacted like that. Sorry.
Neither do I.
I wasn't saying things were better in "my day", whenever that might have been.
I was complaining about the sexism and misogyny that has crept back into everyday life as though it's in any way acceptable.
What kind of w*nker goes around wearing a page 3 picture on a T-shirt? And what kind of despicable company sells them?.
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
May the Lord bless this post.
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