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    #46
    He was a glorified Tom Huddlestone.
    The times they are a changin'.

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      #47
      The gushing over him in the media, and on TalkSport in particular is nauseating

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        #48
        Originally posted by Darkon View Post
        Beckham was when best overrated. Good player, but not the superstar of football he has been made out to be. Well in an off-pitch fashion he has been, but certainly not on the pitch IMO.

        Good right foot and that was about it.
        Ok Yoda. As he was right footed, what else is there? Ok, so he wasn't a good header of the ball but I think you're being a bit harsh. He was incredibly physically fit, a good athlete. His long passing was up there with the best, he scored goals, he was an awesome freekick taker. He held his own and then some for Utd, Real, and Milan. For me his indiscipline was a negative in that he drifted out of position if he wasn't where the action was (a bit like Stevie). It's all semantics, but Darren Fletcher was a 'good player'. Beckham was better than that.
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          #49
          Originally posted by Kenneth View Post
          Ok Yoda. As he was right footed, what else is there? Ok, so he wasn't a good header of the ball but I think you're being a bit harsh. He was incredibly physically fit, a good athlete. His long passing was up there with the best, he scored goals, he was an awesome freekick taker. He held his own and then some for Utd, Real, and Milan. For me his indiscipline was a negative in that he drifted out of position if he wasn't where the action was (a bit like Stevie). It's all semantics, but Darren Fletcher was a 'good player'. Beckham was better than that.
          I'm comparing it to the reputation he managed to get as a footballer, and my point was that he was overrated when best. He certainly was a good footballer, but he would never get in to my top list of the best players of his generation, and in that respect he has gotten far more attention than his talent was for. Perhaps one of the best English players of his generation, but that is not saying a lot either.

          Good right foot, good athelete and had the right mentality for sure - but many footballers have the same qualities. If it wasn't for the off-pitch attention, he would be all but forgotten as a footballer in a few years time.

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            #50
            Originally posted by Darkon View Post
            I'm comparing it to the reputation he managed to get as a footballer, and my point was that he was overrated when best. He certainly was a good footballer, but he would never get in to my top list of the best players of his generation, and in that respect he has gotten far more attention than his talent was for. Perhaps one of the best English players of his generation, but that is not saying a lot either.

            Good right foot, good athelete and had the right mentality for sure - but many footballers have the same qualities. If it wasn't for the off-pitch attention, he would be all but forgotten as a footballer in a few years time.
            I think his reputation has built this outpouring up. We didn't see the same when Scholes retired, and he arguably was a much better player. We are not even seeing it with Carragher, apart from among Liverpool fans. He was arguably the best one of the best centre backs in Europe a few years back.

            I see what you are saying about his talents not matching his reputation though. If that is what you are saying.....??
            *Except Michael, who died.

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              #51
              More or less, and indirectly saying that Beckhams retirement wouldn't have gotten half the attention in the football world if it wasn't for his off-pitch glamour-life with the spice girl.

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                #52
                I agree he was a good player, good athlete and hard worker and that's all admirable. But, valuable though those qualities are, there's no way he would be the richest footballer on the planet on the basis of just that lot.

                Where has he has been brilliant in his choice of personal management and, unlike some, he has the wit to have followed their instructions. I don't mean he's just a puppet either, surrounding yourself with good people who can help you is a form of social intelligence that shouldn't be underrated.
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                Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                  #53
                  He was a scum player but the only one I can say I have no ill feeling towards .No doubt for me how good he was as one of the best dead ball specialists (and crosser) of his generation. No shame in saying that. That goal against Greece as well.
                  "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                    #54
                    Matthew Le Tissier was one of the best dead ball specialists of his generation too. Hardly world class though.
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                    Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                      #55
                      Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                      Matthew Le Tissier was one of the best dead ball specialists of his generation too. Hardly world class though.
                      Matt Le Tissier did not score that goal v Greece or ever play in the CL, or play for Real Madrid, or look after himself physically. This is not about natural talent, it is about how good someone was looking back at their career - no doubt at all Beckham had a great career where he won everything and there was a time IMO he was world class.
                      "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                        #56
                        I think he was over-rated as a player. Fair play to him with what he has achieved. Marrying a Spice Girl helped him though, raised his profile no end (helped them both actually. He couldn't play football, she couldn't sing). As a footballer, seen many more talented than him. Respect the guy totally though for what he's managed to achieve

                        Gerrard has and did have much more ability than him though

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by Tee View Post
                          Matt Le Tissier did not score that goal v Greece or ever play in the CL, or play for Real Madrid, or look after himself physically. This is not about natural talent, it is about how good someone was looking back at their career - no doubt at all Beckham had a great career where he won everything and there was a time IMO he was world class.
                          Sure, Beckham was a much better player overall. It's just you said the main thing he had was his dead ball ability which was excellent. The point was workrate and fitness (related obviously and both signs of commitment) are the main differences between him and Le Tissier.

                          I think he made the most of his talent as a footballer and was very important for England for a while and not out of place at all in any of the great clubs he played for. But even so I wouldn't call him world class or one of the best players of his generation.

                          Would you really put him in the same category as someone like Gerrard? The difference to me is that Beckham at his best could make a contribution to any team in the world whereas Gerrard would still have stood out no matter who he played with.
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                          Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                            #58
                            Originally posted by Sarb View Post
                            Gerrard has and did have much more ability than him though
                            Great minds, etc.
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                            Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                              #59
                              Let me make one thing clear here, no way on Gods earth is Beckham anywhere near as good as our own Stevie G.

                              Stevie G has been one of the greatest players I have ever seen (the best ever LFC player IMO). Massive gulf in quality.
                              "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Sarb View Post
                                I think he was over-rated as a player. Fair play to him with what he has achieved. Marrying a Spice Girl helped him though, raised his profile no end (helped them both actually. He couldn't play football, she couldn't sing). As a footballer, seen many more talented than him. Respect the guy totally though for what he's managed to achieve

                                Gerrard has and did have much more ability than him though
                                Really honestly just do not get that. But hey ho, if that's what you think I am not going to bother arguing the point.
                                "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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