Newcastle United

[Neil Young]

There is no line on Interest - it doesn't matter if it's 1% or 1000%. Its like saying you can drink a tiny bit of alcohol but not drink too much.. If he is still accepting the salary Newcastle are paying him since Wonga started sponsoring Newcastle then he is not being reasonable at all. He is being a hypocrite

Yes he will find many scholars but he doesn't need to speak to a scholar regarding interest as anyone muslim knows about Riba. It's pretty much like alcohol - you can't go anywhere near it. I would happily "support" him in his belief but I won't as he is a hypocrite. They were sponsored by Virgin Money before! So if he didn't go on strike then then he shouldn't now.

Of course there's a line. There always is unless you totally opt out of a capitalist society.

If he'd played for us when we were sponsored by Carlsberg what should he have done then? It's not like he'd have been drinking alcohol himself but part of his wages would have come from it.

[Gingawaria]

I'm probably over-simplifying things here, but why is it a problem for Cisse and not for Tiote and Sissoko? It does seem to me that he's doing it to engineer a move.

I think someone on that 'Muslim Premier League' program, (might've been Mamady Sidibe) who was saying that there are some things you can't control, the shirt sponsor being one of them?

[Neil Young]

I'm probably over-simplifying things here, but why is it a problem for Cisse and not for Tiote and Sissoko? It does seem to me that he's doing it to engineer a move.

I think someone on that 'Muslim Premier League' program, (might've been Mamady Sidibe) who was saying that there are some things you can't control, the shirt sponsor being one of them?

It's perfectly possible he's exploiting the situation for his own ends but then again maybe he's a bit stricter than Tiote or Sissoko.

Obviously he's not as strict as saj but then saj has no sympathy.

[baitman]

I'm probably over-simplifying things here, but why is it a problem for Cisse and not for Tiote and Sissoko? It does seem to me that he's doing it to engineer a move.

I think someone on that 'Muslim Premier League' program, (might've been Mamady Sidibe) who was saying that there are some things you can't control, the shirt sponsor being one of them?

if he played for barcelona and their shirt sponsor was wonga he might not be too arsed.

[Gingawaria]

It's perfectly possible he's exploiting the situation for his own ends but then again maybe he's a bit stricter than Tiote or Sissoko.

Obviously he's not as strict as saj but then saj has no sympathy.

I think it's one of those situations where we're never likely to get the true story!

[saj]

It's perfectly possible he's exploiting the situation for his own ends but then again maybe he's a bit stricter than Tiote or Sissoko.

Obviously he's not as strict as saj but then saj has no sympathy.

I'm not strict at all. I have a mortgage

I don't like the fact he is being a hypocrite.

[Baracus]

So a hypocrite calls another hypocrite

[Neil Young]

I'm not strict at all. I have a mortgage

I don't like the fact he is being a hypocrite.

There you go. You draw a line somewhere, he draws it somewhere else. And if you don't draw lines, you can't be a member of mainstream society.

Basically your criticism boils down to the fact that he appears to be drawing a line somewhere different from where you would have him draw it.

What you're overlooking is that he's only a hypocrite if he doesn't live up to his own principles, not the ones you think he should have...which you don't even live up to yourself!

So a hypocrite calls another hypocrite

Maybe.

We can't say for sure that Cisse is a hypocrite.

[saj]

So a hypocrite calls another hypocrite

Are you feeling ok? How the **** am I a hypocrite? I have merely said that on the one hand Cisse says it's wrong, and on the other obviously he thought it was ok. I have not said he is wrong being for or against promoting Riba. I am saying it's wrong that he thinks one lender of money is ok yet another is wrong - it's a contradiction.

[saj]

There you go. You draw a line somewhere, he draws it somewhere else. And if you don't draw lines, you can't be a member of mainstream society.

Basically your criticism boils down to the fact that he appears to be drawing a line somewhere different from where you would have him draw it.

What you're overlooking is that he's only a hypocrite if he doesn't live up to his own principles, not the ones you think he should have...which you don't even live up to yourself!


Maybe.

We can't say for sure that Cisse is a hypocrite.

Own priniciples? Erm sorry, but he is using religion as his basis for going on strike not his own principles. I don't care what principles he has. But he is using Islam as his basis. If you can't see that or you don't understand riba, I won't even bother arguing as it's totally ridiculous

My analogy from earlier was this: it's the equivalent of saying IN TERMS OF ISLAM it's ok to drink a tiny amount of alcohol not too much which is totally wrong.

If it was his own principle, then fair enough. I would understand this totally. But he is doing for religious reasons.

[Neil Young]

he is using religion as his basis for going on strike not his own principles...

If it was his own principle, then fair enough. I would understand this totally. But he is doing for religious reasons.

My best response to this bit is to quote you:

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In other words, it's silly to make a distinction between an individual's principles and the religious principles that that individual chooses to adhere to or follow.

[Neil Young]

Bollocks, I didn't mean to edit that post.

I think the original was something like:

It's not the same as drinking any amount of alcohol, it's the equivalent wearing a shirt sponsored by a company that makes and sells alcohol.

So if Newcastle were sponsored by a brewery, what might his religion suggest he should do then?

[saj]

My best response to this bit is to quote you:

""

And obviously the bits of the quote you removed, you clearly don't understand so have no basis for your argument. . I rest my case - I will sleep well tonight.

[saj]

Bollocks, I didn't mean to edit that post.

I think the original was something like:

It's not the same as drinking any amount of alcohol, it's the equivalent wearing a shirt sponsored by a company that makes and sells alcohol.

So if Newcastle were sponsored by a brewery, what might his religion suggest he should do then?

I never said it's the equivalent. It is not at all. If I have said it is the equivalent in any of my previous posts then I was wrong in doing so. But as far as I am aware, I used that example as an analogy - a very basic one which has a partial similarity based on Islam.

[Neil Young]

My point is it's the wrong analogy. If you're drawing an analogy between Islam's prohibition on alcohol and its prohibition on interest then it's the wearing of the shirt that is consistent between the two and relevant here.