Alex Teixeira

[Corndog]

I am a massive Klopp fan but there is no evidence to suggest he is a transfer market guru and was key in buying all the gems Dortmund had. Michael Zorc was their DOF and had the biggest input into finding these players.

We have to remember that all parties at Liverpool (transfer committee and Rodgers) were supposed to agree to buy players so even though we know Rodgers pushed for the overpriced dross () the transfer committee are guilty by association! They still remain so hopefully with Klopp's knowledge of the Bundesliga they will have it covered between them.

I'd love if FSG went back to their original plan and hired a DOF in the summer and Klopp would go back to the structure he had in Germany. Zorc or Monchi would be the best signing we could make this summer.

Oh and I just remembered all the excellent players we missed out on were 100% transfer committee (micky ryan, konolo, costa, salah etc) picks so we'll be fine.

No evidence??? Klopp was responsible for getting Gundogan and Subotic to Dortmund, both were from his former club Mainz. I don't think it took any genius to sign young player of the year Marco Reus from Gladbach, I'm sure that was someone klopp knew a lot about given everyone in Germany did.

Klopp developed the core of that Dortmund team that won the bundesliga back to back. The likes of Hummels and sahin came up through the ranks. How do you know how involved someone like Zorc was to a transfer target relative to Klopps involvement.

38 mil is a joke, can't believe some people want the club to 'just pay it'. 24 mil for a player in teixieras circumstances is fair, 29 mil is extremely good.
Just because the club has over paid for past players doesn't mean they should then continue to do it.

[baronvonskidmark]

Shame. But it was always gonna end up this way imo.

[red g]

Maybe 38 million is way over the value for Texeira but we dont seem to have issues paying over value sometimes - Benteke 32 million, Lallana 25 million, Alberto 7 million for a Barcelona B player, Ilori 4-7 million depending on sources. Our transfer strategy is really really weird.

From Pearce

"Ayre will inevitably be the target of some fans' frustration if the deal doesn't get done. But he's just one member of the transfer committee who put a valuation on targets."

Looks like someone is working to cover himself.

Its obvious to me, If you are crap we will way pay over the odds, If you look like a great player we will ensure we haggle and lose out.

[danperkins]

And spending exorbitant fees on bang average players is exactly the reason why we should be cautious now! As Kev said, whilst he looks like he has all the tools, and is scoring a shedload right now; it's a piss poor league and it's not like he's been doing it his whole career. £38m is a ****ton of money with those points in mind

£25m seems like a reasonable amount to me. We probably do need to overpay due to our current standing, but still. I can totally understand the caution

yeah I know mate, Shaktar are notoriously difficult to deal with. It just galls me that we can be so careless with money time and time again on the wrong players. Blatantly over paying on average or above average players. Downing, Carroll, Hendo (I like lesser extent but still overpaid), Lallana, Balo, Lovren, Benteke etc when we could be careless with money on players that could potentially take us where we want to go.

It's a **** league alright but he hasn't looked out of place in the champs league. It's ridiculous money they want but sure with these gangsters it was always going to be silly money. He could potentially be a failure but IMO I would much rather gamble on him rather than those players mentioned above. He does look a very exciting and talented guy who could lift the club.

I just feel that we are scared ****less to spend big because of our previous flawed transfer policy & the reason why I feel we should just pay the money is because IMO 4th place is still there for us.. aswell as the cups. The league is all over the place, teams will continue to be inconsistent & I would love us to take a gamble on his talent to try get us to where we want to be.

But yeah there's no getting away from that ridiculous price

[Irishnev]

No evidence??? Klopp was responsible for getting Gundogan and Subotic to Dortmund, both were from his former club Mainz. I don't think it took any genius to sign young player of the year Marco Reus from Gladbach, I'm sure that was someone klopp knew a lot about given everyone in Germany did.

Klopp developed the core of that Dortmund team that won the bundesliga back to back. The likes of Hummels and sahin came up through the ranks. How do you know how involved someone like Zorc was to a transfer target relative to Klopps involvement.

38 mil is a joke, can't believe some people want the club to 'just pay it'. 24 mil for a player in teixieras circumstances is fair, 29 mil is extremely good.
Just because the club has over paid for past players doesn't mean they should then continue to do it.

I'm not advocating that we spend the money on Tex but more making the point that there is no guarantee that we'll have the same success in transfers that Dortmund had just because we gave Klopp. He was part of a successful recruitment team.

I do believe he is a good judge of player however and the ex Mainz players showed he brought the right ones with him (not Allen and Williams). Re the other buys - they got lucky with Sahin, bender and Goetze coming through the ranks for sure and Reus was a no brainier but they bought very well also. Lewa, hummels (bought from bayern), Micky Ryan, auba, ginter and kagawa stand out.

Now Klopp is gone they are still buying well - weigl being the best example but they are strongly linked to Oliver Torres from atletico also. To reiterate Klopp was part of a good team so we need to hope our committee is as good as Zorc and co.

[baitman]

is it too soon for a song then

[Corndog]

I'm not advocating that we spend the money on Tex but more making the point that there is no guarantee that we'll have the same success in transfers that Dortmund had just because we gave Klopp. He was part of a successful recruitment team.

I do believe he is a good judge of player however and the ex Mainz players showed he brought the right ones with him (not Allen and Williams). Re the other buys - they got lucky with Sahin, bender and Goetze coming through the ranks for sure and Reus was a no brainier but they bought very well also. Lewa, hummels (bought from bayern), Micky Ryan, auba, ginter and kagawa stand out.

Now Klopp is gone they are still buying well - weigl bring the best example but they are strongly linked to Oliver Torres from atletico also. To reiterate Klopp was part of a good team so we need to hope our committee is as good as Zorc and co.

I agree, but so far we have not looked to sign premier league players. The signs appear to point towards continental recruitment. Caulker is an obvious stop gap imo who will be back at QPR in the summer with his job as a benchwarmer complete.

Grujic signed from Serbia, the other players we have been heavily linked with like Matip etc. have pretty much all been overseas based. In other words I think we are now targeting similar players to that of Dortmund.

Depending on who you would believe, all the over priced domestic transfers were at the behest of Rodgers except for Sturridge (although who really knows who or what the truth is in this situation).

[Exiled_red]

Maybe 38 million is way over the value for Texeira but we dont seem to have issues paying over value sometimes - Benteke 32 million, Lallana 25 million, Alberto 7 million for a Barcelona B player, Ilori 4-7 million depending on sources. Our transfer strategy is really really weird.

From Pearce

"Ayre will inevitably be the target of some fans' frustration if the deal doesn't get done. But he's just one member of the transfer committee who put a valuation on targets."

Looks like someone is working to cover himself.

It's very odd, we have paid way over the odds for some players who have been terrible and lost huge amounts of money on them, while we haven't been prepared to pay a little more for players who have gone elsewhere ane been a success.

We seem to pay over the odd for PL experienced players, perhaps because there is so much money in the English game or because we still believe that players with PL experience will do better. The other group of players we seem prepared to overpay for is youngsters from overseas (Alberto, Ilori etc) persumably because we them potentially increasing significantly in value if they work out, but in many cases recently the haven't been working out either.

[Irishnev]

I agree, but so far we have not looked to sign premier league players. The signs appear to point towards continental recruitment. Caulker is an obvious stop gap imo who will be back at QPR in the summer with his job as a benchwarmer complete.

Grujic signed from Serbia, the other players we have been heavily linked with like Matip etc. have pretty much all been overseas based. In other words I think we are now targeting similar players to that of Dortmund.

Depending on who you would believe, all the over priced domestic transfers were at the behest of Rodgers except for Sturridge (although who really knows who or what the truth is in this situation).

I think we are both on the same page and I agree re Caulker as being a stop gap. I think that we were already on the Grujic trail before Klopp and he just rubber stamped it - supposedly Buvac knew him.

As you said the over priced English based players were most likely on Rodgers' wishlist but the foreign players have produced some stinkers also - Balotelli (who virtually everyone said wouldn't work out), Aspas, Illori, Alberto & Assaidi - a cost of £50m for them which we will not recoup from sales.

A number of people have said that our transfer strategy is really strange - I think I can see what they are trying to do but (buy potential and hope to develop and at worst not lose money on them) or buy players whose careers have stalled ala Balotelli. We got this right with a few but we have got it terribly wrong on others.

The key to any successful manager is the players he buys and I really hope we start doing this better. I'll reiterate what I said earlier and I really do think Klopp will be a good judge of players i.e. mentally and physically, we can tell this from his past clubs. I am really looking forward to seeing what our side will look like over the next number of windows.

[Bender]

Mutha****as
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[gratziani]

If we are gonna spend 38 million I would rather we went for Gotze / Reus ? lewandoski , pedigree signings who are worth the fees

[Chris]

Mutha****as
https://twitter.com/TheAnfieldTalk/s...98072851369988

We should just cave in to their every demand though apparently. The club are obviously **** scared of spending money etc etc

[RichC]

Crazy money tbh. If we think he's worth it we'll pay if not leave it alone

[Irishnev]

If we are gonna spend 38 million I would rather we went for Gotze / Reus ? lewandoski , pedigree signings who are worth the fees

We may have a small chance of getting Goetze but zero of getting the other two.

[Bender]

If we are gonna spend 38 million I would rather we went for Gotze / Reus ? lewandoski , pedigree signings who are worth the fees

it's not £38 million it's £50 million