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  • Scratch
    If you fail once....
    • Jul 2006
    • 7887

    #136
    Originally posted by Tribute
    ...I stand by it. It's utter wank and killing the enjoyment of the game.
    I dunno, I also think it adds a little something, as TV viewer, when watching teams you dislike and waiting for VAR to overrule (or not) a goal given against the under-dog...there's a sense of hope and expectation that the despair of seeing them score might be erased!

    Of course, waiting for it to confirm if your team has scored has the opposite feeling, but swings and roundabouts etc.

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    • Charly
      Paisley
      • Jul 2008
      • 10370

      #137
      Id take a ****e ref and two corrupt linesmen over var.
      In the beginning, Fowler created the Heaven and the Earth.

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      • McDermotX
        Paisley
        • Aug 2006
        • 35360

        #138
        One thing that needs to be nipped in the bud, rapid, is the explanations to the players after every referral or nonreferral to VAR.
        One can only assume it's because it's new, but players are so ****ing thick and have had years of having some ****ing neck, that it'll be a hard habit to drop. Refs need to be decisive.
        At least half a dozen occasions in the City game the other day, the ref was wasting even more time giving explanations to the City players........add this to the time already spent and it'll get old, real fast.
        "I will make the boys feel your support"
        Jurgen Klopp June 2020

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        • Scratch
          If you fail once....
          • Jul 2006
          • 7887

          #139
          If it's gone to VAR and they're awaiting a decision, then the ref talking to the players about what is being referred upstairs isn't going to waste any time, as play won't restart until a decision is reached. Unless you're saying that even after the decision has been broadcast, the players and ref are still having a chinwag, which I've not noticed myself?

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          • McDermotX
            Paisley
            • Aug 2006
            • 35360

            #140
            Aye.....on nearly half a dozen occasions after the decision had been announced in the stadium, the ref was delaying restart being badgered by players. Sterling in particular seemed unable to grasp the logic of it, Silva as well.

            Like I said, hopefully it's an opening few week thing and it'll gradually go away, but considering it was happening during the WC (albeit VAR was in a closed loop), we'll have to wait and see.
            I actually don't blame the players, it's a weak ref that would indulge them. Immediately after the decision is made......play on, any moaners can stand there talking to thin air as everyone else gets on with it.
            "I will make the boys feel your support"
            Jurgen Klopp June 2020

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            • fah-q
              Touching cloth
              • Jul 2006
              • 16727

              #141
              They're primed by Pep to waste as much time/break rhythms as possible so I wouldn't be surprised that this is some kind of tactic on their part.

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              • ChesterDave
                Paisley
                • Oct 2010
                • 32224

                #142
                Has the potential to work, if not staffed by raging ****ing imbeciles
                Football without Origi is nothing

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                • Buzzo
                  Donald Buzzworth
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 67435

                  #143
                  Originally posted by ChesterDave
                  Has the potential to work, if not staffed by raging ****ing imbeciles
                  Hung the ref out to dry tonight. Was obviously the wrong decision from the ref, but those are the ones VAR are supposed to help with.

                  Suspicious lack of camera angles available.
                  Modifying post.

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                  • ChesterDave
                    Paisley
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 32224

                    #144
                    Yep. Can absolutely understand a ref getting that type of decision wrong in real time but with the benefit of replays and multiple angles unforgiveable for a video ref to be wrong
                    Football without Origi is nothing

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                    • Buzzo
                      Donald Buzzworth
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 67435

                      #145
                      Decent twitter thread on how they are getting VAR wrong with offsides.

                      [ame]https://twitter.com/draper_rob/status/1161623811869093893[/ame]
                      Modifying post.

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                      • Alex
                        Administrator
                        • Jul 2006
                        • 37058

                        #146
                        VAR should work like cricket. Marginal calls are Refs choice. Clear mistakes are overturned by VAR.

                        Its not hard, and I guess the system will get there. Things wont be perfect in a day.
                        *Except Michael, who died.

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                        • ntto
                          Dalglish
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 2965

                          #147
                          Originally posted by Alex
                          VAR should work like cricket. Marginal calls are Refs choice. Clear mistakes are overturned by VAR.

                          Its not hard, and I guess the system will get there. Things wont be perfect in a day.
                          cricket has the benefit of systems that predict the flight of the ball - so the decision typically is an absolute.

                          Where is falls down in football, two people will review a decision and you'll get two different decisions.

                          The handball in the first half that wasn't even reviewed, that was a pen last season all day long

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                          • Exiled_red
                            Paisley
                            • Nov 2007
                            • 55269

                            #148
                            Originally posted by Buzzo
                            Decent twitter thread on how they are getting VAR wrong with offsides.

                            https://twitter.com/draper_rob/statu...23811869093893
                            I read the thread, and have heard the suggestion of feet only or any part of your body being level means that you are on, those suggestions are fine and may change things slightly, but they have no impact on how the law or VAR are used. You still need to draw a line between the last part of the defender and some part of the attacker, the few mm situation will still arise just involving a different body part.

                            For me the problem isn't the law it's the way VAR is used with it.
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                            • Kenneth
                              Pond Scum
                              • May 2007
                              • 65636

                              #149
                              To identify obvious errors you don't need to draw a line anywhere. If you think you need to, then the decision wasn't an obvious error and you accept the decision of the lino. If someone was incorrectly given offside according to VAR, give them a freekick where they received the ball, but keep the instant decisions.
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                              • Exiled_red
                                Paisley
                                • Nov 2007
                                • 55269

                                #150
                                Originally posted by Kenneth
                                To identify obvious errors you don't need to draw a line anywhere. If you think you need to, then the decision wasn't an obvious error and you accept the decision of the lino. If someone was incorrectly given offside according to VAR, give them a freekick where they received the ball, but keep the instant decisions.
                                That's what I have been saying for ages
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