VAR thread

[Scratch]

And the umpire who's decision counts is the one without replay, slow motion, zoom, and multiple angles. It's completely illogical.

Can't argue with the logical aspect of it, but then, if every decision in the box was analysed to the nth degree, in super slow motion, football matches would take 4-5 hours. Hence I think they will only ever overrule if there is no contact in decisions like this. For us, there was contact (minimal) and a graceful dive, but there was contact, so no overrule.

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Nearly just as bad was the penalty given against Valencia last night. I just don’t see what the defender could do there. Absolutely ridiculous rule.

Just seen that this morning, another joke of a decision.

While I can see why the decision made on the pitch is the default one when it's not clear on the replays. If you look at replays of both of those pens last night, neither are pens, but both are given. But seemingly the questions being asked of VAR is was there contact between players regardless of who initiated it, and the handball one is did the ball hit a hand/arm regardless of intent or position of the arm, which is completely nonsensical

[Kenneth]

Can't argue with the logical aspect of it, but then, if every decision in the box was analysed to the nth degree, in super slow motion, football matches would take 4-5 hours. Hence I think they will only ever overrule if there is no contact in decisions like this. For us, there was contact (minimal) and a graceful dive, but there was contact, so no overrule.

So wrong outcome. So VAR cannot help in situations where there is some contact, or where a dive was really convincing in real time. Or for second yellow cards. Major omissions that stop it achieving the goal of making key decisions more accurate and error free.

But the decision last night was looked at, calling it correctly would have taken no more time, and it could have achieved its purpose if it wasn't constrained by pointless limitations designed to pasify the referees associations.

[Norbs]

So wrong outcome. So VAR cannot help in situations where there is some contact, or where a dive was really convincing in real time. Or for second yellow cards.

But the decision last night was looked at, calling it correctly would have taken no more time, and it could have achieved its purpose if it wasn't constrained by pointless limitations designed to pasify the referees associations.

VAR was never brought in for the easy decisions but it seems those in power don't want to impliment it for the difficult ones. Bizarre

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The only pens that will be overturned are going to be the ones that the defender is about a yard away from the striker when he goes down. As long as you are able to initiate contact with a defender as you throw yourself to the floor the decision won't be overturned, it's effectively a divers charter.

[Norbs]

The only pens that will be overturned are going to be the ones that the defender is about a yard away from the striker when he goes down. As long as you are able to initiate contact with a defender as you throw yourself to the floor the decision won't be overturned, it's effectively a divers charter.

It'll increase diving and not eradicate it. Totally the opposite of what everyone thought it was going to be

[Zapater]

Nearly just as bad was the penalty given against Valencia last night. I just don’t see what the defender could do there. Absolutely ridiculous rule.

That's my point, that wasn't a clear mistake by the ref. It was headed at his hand in a 'natural' position at point blank. But handballs are suddenly a different kettle of fish to everything else. So that is overturned as being a 'clear mistake', but soft ones like last night or if a referee misses a massive foul like on Matip are subjective. Makes zero ****ing sense. They were trying to remove subjectivity but ****ed it up further.

If that handball is a standard pen every time, it's going to be so frustrating, because those things happen, but they don't effect play and don't deserve to be punished.

[Kenneth]

The only pens that will be overturned are going to be the ones that the defender is about a yard away from the striker when he goes down. As long as you are able to initiate contact with a defender as you throw yourself to the floor the decision won't be overturned, it's effectively a divers charter.

[Exiled_red]

The two pens last night I can see the rational as to why they weren't overturned - there was contact between Robertson and the Napoli guy and the ball did hit the Valencia player's hand. - I don't agree with either decision but as those seem to be all that is required to uphold the decision I can understand it. How do we explain things the other way, for example the foul on Matip at the weekend, what is the level of proof required to give a pen when the referee didn't? Because there is clearly a 2 tier system.

[Zapater]

The two pens last night I can see the rational as to why they weren't overturned - there was contact between Robertson and the Napoli guy and the ball did hit the Valencia player's hand. - I don't agree with either decision but as those seem to be all that is required to uphold the decision I can understand it. How do we explain things the other way, for example the foul on Matip at the weekend, what is the level of proof required to give a pen when the referee didn't? Because there is clearly a 2 tier system.

The Chelsea one wasn't given in real time. Play continued and was stopped by VAR. I know it's the new rule, but don't get it. What was Wass supposed to do? We all have arms.

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The Chelsea one wasn't given in real time. Play continued and was stopped by VAR. I know it's the new rule, but don't get it. What was Wass supposed to do? We all have arms.

Sorry seemingly I missed that. That makes it an even crazier decision!

After the City goal that was disallowed because the ball brushed Laporte's(?) hand they said that that rule only applied to attackers and not defenders. Is this then due to different implementation of VAR in the PL and CL? Or is one of them a mistake, or have we been given incorrect information,?

Whatever the answer the system is messed up and confusing and has not been explained properly to anyone except perhaps the officials.

[Buzzo]

It should be like rugby where you can hear the rationale too. That'd make it interesting for the viewer, could even let the poor cunts in the stadium hear it too via headsets or even an App / FM frequency - plus it would weed out the ****tard officials

Definitely.

I’ve repeated this a lot of times, but it works really well in other sports. Football isn’t so different and does have the money to implement. If cash strapped sports like Cricket and Rugby union can do it then it should be a walk in the park for football.

[BillobShaisley]

The guy was diving before he even got near robbo as he saw robbo raise his leg and he though 'im having this' but then robbo put his foot down while the lad was in mid air, so the diver then moved his leg to the right to ensure there was some contact.
Robbos foot was on the deck when the diver banged into robbs leg, yet these pricks still cannot get it right.

That's the difference between winning a pen and diving. Rob moved forwards, missed the ball and made contact with the player. The player could easily have not ran into Robbo's leg, but that's not the point.

I agree with the above in that it wasn't clear and comes down to interpretation, so I'm happy that VAR is pulled back and the Ref is backed in his real time judgement and is just there for big decisions and clear errors. We've all seen those ones go either way many times and wouldn't be embarrassed if it happened the other way round.

[Lecter]

VAR was never brought in for the easy decisions but it seems those in power don't want to impliment it for the difficult ones. Bizarre

The weird thing about VAR at the moment is the "clear and obvious" excuse trotted out to justify supporting an incorrect refereeing decision. We dont want to undermine referees do we....

In reality they are not only undermining referees by "agreeing" with their decisions when VAR reviews the incorrect decision but they are also undermining the whole purpose of the VAR system itself

[Lecter]

That's the difference between winning a pen and diving. Rob moved forwards, missed the ball and made contact with the player. The player could easily have not ran into Robbo's leg, but that's not the point.

I agree with the above in that it wasn't clear and comes down to interpretation, so I'm happy that VAR is pulled back and the Ref is backed in his real time judgement and is just there for big decisions and clear errors. We've all seen those ones go either way many times and wouldn't be embarrassed if it happened the other way round.

My big hope with VAR was that it would stop the trend whereby an attacking player actually initiates the contact and gets awarded a pen

To me thats not a penalty