VAR thread

[baitman]

The whole VAR thing has been made a laughing stock and the footy media are now making it a bigger talking point then ever. It must be a worry for the refs and behind he scenes they must be struggling to get their **** together to improve things, hopefully!
The pressure is mounting.

[Fredo]

We won't be going back to what we had before so it will have to improve.

[Fredo]

At some point we won't even need referees to do those checks, it could be better technology to assist and make decisions much quicker and possibly overrule the ref's decision. It needs to be honed and bit more and there is enough money in the game to take it there.

[Maxiedge]

Complete overreaction to VAR imo. I’ve already previously said that VAR works well for us as a football club and we should support it.

[dom9]

Complete overreaction to VAR imo. I’ve already previously said that VAR works well for us as a football club and we should support it.

Do you think it worked well for us at the weekend?

[Exiled_red]

Complete overreaction to VAR imo. I’ve already previously said that VAR works well for us as a football club and we should support it.

While I have seen it argued that it may suit our style of play, I am yet to be convinced, and while it is so inconsistent I don't see how we can be confident of that. At the moment there seems to be far too much randomness in decisions made by it.

[Kenneth]

Complete overreaction to VAR imo. I’ve already previously said that VAR works well for us as a football club and we should support it.

I missed that. In what way does it work for us as a football club?

[Chris]

Complete overreaction to VAR imo. I’ve already previously said that VAR works well for us as a football club and we should support it.

Not much evidence of that, in fact it's quite the opposite at the moment. We still got the annual screw job at Old Trafford and are still getting disastrous officiating displays like the weekend. Not to mention other stuff like Matip being mauled in the penalty area v Newcastle etc. It's dog****e.

That decision not to give the Alli handball yesterday should have had it scrapped there and there, what a disgrace that was.

[Maxiedge]

1) we play a high line using the recovery pace of Van Dijk and, eventually, Joe Gomez. It’s more likely a lineman will go be the benefit of doubt to the attacking team and we’ll get offside goals given against us.

2) we are dangerous on set pieces and and are more likely to get fouled than make fouls . This might get picked up by VAR but very unlikely to be given without it.

3) we have quick skilful players that can get contact in the box.

4) we don’t make ****house challenges and generally play the game the right way. Aren’t we always top or near about in the far play league?

Regarding the Firmino goal not given, at least we can see the workings out and try and improve on that. I think the line should have been a mm to the right and this would have put him inside. But we’re talking about millimetres here. The goal was not going to be given even without VAR as linesman flagged

Finally I would say we are top of the league with our best start ever so I don’t see any reason to change the events surrounding that.

[Maxiedge]

Not much evidence of that, in fact it's quite the opposite at the moment. We still got the annual screw job at Old Trafford and are still getting disastrous officiating displays like the weekend. Not to mention other stuff like Matip being mauled in the penalty area v Newcastle etc. It's dog****e.

That decision not to give the Alli handball yesterday should have had it scrapped there and there, what a disgrace that was.

With the Matip incident, I think if that happens again, it would be given. Without VAR, no chance

[dom9]

1) we play a high line using the recovery pace of Van Dijk and, eventually, Joe Gomez. It’s more likely a lineman will go be the benefit of doubt to the attacking team and we’ll get offside goals given against us.

2) we are dangerous on set pieces and and are more likely to get fouled than make fouls . This might get picked up by VAR but very unlikely to be given without it.

3) we have quick skilful players that can get contact in the box.

4) we don’t make ****house challenges and generally play the game the right way. Aren’t we always top or near about in the far play league?

Regarding the Firmino goal not given, at least we can see the workings out and try and improve on that. I think the line should have been a mm to the right and this would have put him inside. But we’re talking about millimetres here. The goal was not going to be given even without VAR as linesman flagged

Finally I would say we are top of the league with our best start ever so I don’t see any reason to change the events surrounding that.

Don't see what any of that has to do with VAR to be honest.

And as for point 1, it didn't exactly go for us with Firmino on Saturday.

[Kenneth]

1) we play a high line using the recovery pace of Van Dijk and, eventually, Joe Gomez. It’s more likely a lineman will go be the benefit of doubt to the attacking team and we’ll get offside goals given against us.

2) we are dangerous on set pieces and and are more likely to get fouled than make fouls . This might get picked up by VAR but very unlikely to be given without it.

3) we have quick skilful players that can get contact in the box.

4) we don’t make ****house challenges and generally play the game the right way. Aren’t we always top or near about in the far play league?

Regarding the Firmino goal not given, at least we can see the workings out and try and improve on that. I think the line should have been a mm to the right and this would have put him inside. But we’re talking about millimetres here. The goal was not going to be given even without VAR as linesman flagged

Finally I would say we are top of the league with our best start ever so I don’t see any reason to change the events surrounding that.

So number 1. There was no VAR last season and we conceded the fewest goals of any team, less than half the number of anyone outside the top 4. What problem was it solving for us again?

We seemed to get more pens "penalty pool" in the recent past than since VAR.

We don't make many ****house challenges, hence being high up the fair play table, we didn't get many cards relatively and we still don't. VAR makes no difference.

I just don't see any specific benefit to us from VAR, or for the game overall.

[Fredo]

Yep, VAR as a thing will help these mistakes to be eradicated in the long term. It's not the technology's fault that it is being run by a bunch of incompetent referees. At least it is raising these issues even more and the ridiculousness of those decisions. Without VAR, no chance.

[Maxiedge]

Don't see what any of that has to do with VAR to be honest.

And as for point 1, it didn't exactly go for us with Firmino on Saturday.

The VAR system is there to give more right decisions than wrong and if you have an excellent side that plays the game the right way, it will pan out to be more beneficial than detrimental over the course. No point in debating isolated incidents as refs and linos we’re making these mistakes even pre VAR.

[Maxiedge]

So number 1. There was no VAR last season and we conceded the fewest goals of any team, less than half the number of anyone outside the top 4. What problem was it solving for us again?

We seemed to get more pens "penalty pool" in the recent past than since VAR.

We don't make many ****house challenges, hence being high up the fair play table, we didn't get many cards relatively and we still don't. VAR makes no difference.

I just don't see any specific benefit to us from VAR, or for the game overall.

Can’t remember us playing such a high line last season. You could argue it because of VAR that we’re doing it now.