VAR thread

[dom9]

The point is, there is zero need or point in the linesman waving his flag to signal that he thought it was offside. None at all. It is, however, distracting to players and fans. So it makes no sense to do it.

There might not be a "need" if you were inventing football today but you can't ignore the rules, customs and traditions that have shaped the reality of today over nearly 150 years.

It is what it is. It's evolving. Slowly.

[dom9]

What the **** are you talking about? Whether or not the linesman flags for offside, the game carries in and VAR will review it. So what is the point of the linesman waving the flag. It is a signal to nobody.

I'm talking about the levels of contraryness reaching new heights.

[Red_Polo]

I'm so confused by you two. This is nothing to do with defenders claiming offside and stopping . For almost forever, the linesman waving for offside meant the game was stopped for offside.

I'm illustrating the basic point that you play to the whistle, NOT the flag which is and always has been information for the referee.

[dom9]

When? In the two occasions this season, there have been seconds between flag and goal. If you can recall that happening in previous season, I would be interested in finding such incidents.

This is the first result returned by Google

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/20kped/the_referee_over_rules_the_linesman_when_it_is_a/

Another one:

https://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/watch-this-ref-completely-ignore-his-linesman-and-allow-a-goal-to-stand-112016

[Kenneth]

I'm talking about the levels of contraryness reaching new heights.

So contrary that I'm favouring the approach to offside adopted pretty much everywhere else in Europe and the champions League instead of Mike Riley's bizarre interpretation for the PL.

Yeah, **** off mate.

[dom9]

So contrary that I'm favouring the approach to offside adopted pretty much everywhere else in Europe and the champions League instead of Mike Riley's bizarre interpretation for the PL.



Yeah, **** off mate.

Look, I'm not trying to piss you off (apologies) but this really does seem to be the epitome of arguing for the sake of arguing.

It's literally the rules of the game.

[Red_Polo]

Doesn't happen. Or didn't.

First goal

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQrqLOGOPPU"]Top 10 Smart beating offside trap Goals - YouTube[/ame]

Happens quite a lot tbh

[Red_Polo]

Ken there's no change to that, it's always been play to the whistle, not flag. Maybe you had a **** PE teacher and nobody corrected them?

[Kenneth]

Look, I'm not trying to piss you off (apologies) but this really does seem to be the epitome of arguing for the sake of arguing.

It's literally the rules of the game.

I'm saying that the decision in the PL to instruct linesman to wave for offside but to allow the game to continue is daft. The flag benefits nobody, but can confuse and distract other, so play to the whistle or not, this specific interpretation of the VAR rules makes no sense. In the CL, no flag and play on, VAR resolves and issues, more more logical.

It wasn't really an 'argument' until you accused me of being 'a parody of myself' for it.

[Kenneth]

Ken there's no change to that, it's always been play to the whistle, not flag. Maybe you had a **** PE teacher and nobody corrected them?

If we're going back to basics, is it better to have a guy stood on the touch line waving a flag around for no purpose whatsoever during attacking play, or is it better not to have someone doing that? Previously, there was a point to the linesman doing it, now there is none.

[Buzzo]

Kenneth engages ‘not backing down’ mode.

[dom9]

I'm saying that the decision in the PL to instruct linesman to wave for offside but to allow the game to continue is daft. The flag benefits nobody, but can confuse and distract other, so play to the whistle or not, this specific interpretation of the VAR rules makes no sense. In the CL, no flag and play on, VAR resolves and issues, more more logical.



It wasn't really an 'argument' until you accused me of being 'a parody of myself' for it.

I dunno. The whole thing is daft if you look at it objectively enough.

But I get where we are we with it, it needs refinement.

It's also worth bearing in mind that ultimately the same rules need to be applied to the world cup, premier league and Sunday league in the park, regardless of the presence of VAR. So it's always gonna be a munging of fish and fowl to an extent.

[Kenneth]

Kenneth engages ‘not backing down’ mode.

In tandem with being self evidently right mode.

[Buzzo]

Oh no. Deluded mode

[Kenneth]

I dunno. The whole thing is daft if you look at it objectively enough.

But I get where we are we with it, it needs refinement.

It's also worth bearing in mind that ultimately the same rules need to be applied to the world cup, premier league and Sunday league in the park, regardless of the presence of VAR. So it's always gonna be a munging of fish and fowl to an extent.

Ok, fair enough.