VAR thread

[Kenneth]

I meant play on, as in not stop play because there was no reason to, not play advantage.

[Norbs]

There definitely wasn't an advantage to us

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I had 5 live commentary and they suggested that they had been told that the VAR didn't think the decision to play on was an error, rather than it being an issue with when and where it happened in relation to the goal.

But they are fair questions. Can a potential free kick 80+ yards from goal really be considered part of the goal for the purposes of VAR? If they're going to make a call on such a foul, why not do it for all of them? A free kick to us in that position could be game changing so why not review it irrespective of the goal? There is so much that doesn't make sense and is overly convoluted.

Do the media / press get to hear an explanation from the VAR official or is this someone's (a pundit or former referee) speculating on it. I had always assumed that the commentators were speculating on the VAR reasoning.

If we take their view as the real reason then that implies that the referee didn't think that it was a foul (which given how he refereed the game I wouldn't be surprised) and that VAR didn't think that he was clearly wrong in this decision. Personally I don't see how anyone can say that it wasn't a foul, which suggests the reason is something else, or another dispute about what is clear or obvious.

[Mark79]

Klopp's nailed it here.

[ame]https://twitter.com/LivEchoLFC/status/1186000908003487744[/ame]

[Scratch]

Until VAR decisions are aired on screen, like in rugby, so that the crowd can see and react in real time, then these decisions will always be controversial. Having it up on screen, with the conversation between the ref and the VAR team audible will see a lot more decisions reversed.

Why is there such a need for secrecy with these decisions anyway?

[baitman]

Until VAR decisions are aired on screen, like in rugby, so that the crowd can see and react in real time, then these decisions will always be controversial. Having it up on screen, with the conversation between the ref and the VAR team audible will see a lot more decisions reversed.

Why is there such a need for secrecy with these decisions anyway?

Such openess will be a revelation and possibly bring an end to the distribution of brown envelopes by DBF

[Scratch]

Our decisions yesterday I can just about stomach; the handball is obvious, and the contact on Divock...i dunno, I'd have been pissed if we had a goal ruled out for that.

But the decision against Watford (or was it Wolves...began with a W anyway) vs Spurs, where the defender has hooked his leg and dragged the attacker to the ground, if VAR cannot overrule that, then don't bother looking at incidents, just focus on handballs and offisides, ignore everything else, it's just a sham.

[S-RED]

Our decisions yesterday I can just about stomach; the handball is obvious, and the contact on Divock...i dunno, I'd have been pissed if we had a goal ruled out for that.

But the decision against Watford (or was it Wolves...began with a W anyway) vs Spurs, where the defender has hooked his leg and dragged the attacker to the ground, if VAR cannot overrule that, then don't bother looking at incidents, just focus on handballs and offisides, ignore everything else, it's just a sham.

Agree in the Watford incident, sky have the ref boss in on a monday don't they to discuss any incidents? wonder if he called a sickie today or just waffled his way thru it?...

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More VAR nonsense today, I'm interested in why the the Brighton penalty against Everton was given, it was a foul but the ref didn't give it at the time and VAR overturned it, but there have been a number of similar decisions this season that haven't been overturned, what was different about this one that allows it to be overturned?

[Norbs]

It denied Everton the points so it's all good

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Also the Silva goal for Man City does VAR not have access to all the same angles as the TV? as you could see that Silva got a touch on it from the TV coverage. The defence of the decision to award the goal to Silva seems to be that the dubious goals panel has a lower level of proof than VAR and VAR couldn't clearly and obviously see that he got a touch

[Exiled_red]

It denied Everton the points so it's all good

It has and while it is amusing to see Everton lose again, from the VAR bigger perspective it's a horrendous decision. All season we have had the bar for overturning a decision not to give penalty set so high that hardly any were overturned, this is has lowered it to the ground. If this is now the standard Everton should have had a pen in that game and we should be getting 3 or 4 a game from now on.

[BobTheCharmer]

VAR is going nowhere unfortunately.

It will never get it right. Football and the incidents it makes decisions on are opinion based. There are very decisions that get universal agreement on. Even the bizarre things this season that VAR has caused uproar on has still had plenty of support from people. It's always going to be this way. Handball? Conclusive. Offside? Conclusive. Ball crossed the line? Conclusive. The rest is football. I knew it would go this way. It was ****ing obvious. Some guy stuck in a studio watching a replay once, twice, thousand times isn't going to get it right when there isn't a 'right' decision for 100% of people.

The only thing that can happen is it's improved on by letting us at home and in the ground know what they are discussing. Won't happen though.

[dom9]

VAR - Michael Eberwein concedes penalty while warming up - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50196446

Footballers beware, there is no escaping VAR.

Just ask Holstein Kiel midfielder Michael Eberwein, who is a contender for the unluckiest substitute in sport.

Eberwein was warming up behind the goal during a German second division game against Bochum on Friday when he kicked a wayward shot back into play.

However, VAR spotted Eberwein had touched the ball before it had crossed the line, prompting referee Timo Gerach to give a penalty and show him a yellow card.

It is the sort of innocuous incident that may have passed the officials by in previous seasons, but the presence of the eagled-eye VAR cameras means nothing is now missed.

International FA Board (Ifab) rules state if a substitute interferes with play, the referee can take appropriate disciplinary action and restart the game with a direct free-kick or penalty kick.

Congo forward Silvere M'Boussy took advantage of the bizarre moment of fortune by converting the spot-kick to bring Bochum level.

To make things worse for Eberwein, it is his only touch in a Holstein Kiel shirt since joining from Fortuna Cologne over the summer.

He can at least take some consolation from the fact his side went on to win the game thanks to Janni Serra's second-half strike.

His experience sends out a message to players everywhere, though - VAR is watching you. Always.

****ing jobsworths.

[Buzzo]

Don’t see how making that infringement a penalty adds much to the game.