VAR thread

[topscorer]

Bad on the article on the BBC website any listening in on audio conversations just isn't allowed by rules of the game so hands are tied on that.

I see a lot of pundits complaining that the ref doesn't use the pitch side monitors but also complain about the time it takes to make a decision. Using the pitch side monitors will make the process even longer. The VAR refs are refs and are qualified to make a decision.

According to the same article above the head of VAR says the offside decisions are much clearer than they appear in the images used by TV and he says in this case their is no margin for opinion by the ref. It's offside or its not.

I very rarely listen to the 5 live phone in but I listened to the podcast today and everyone was agreeing the TAA handball was a handball,even almost every Liverpool fan.

One fan mentioned about Silva handling first and Savage even said that wouldn't be considered because it was before.

I cannot believe everyone is letting City get away with calling that a bad decision.

From what I understand the VAR referee didn't think it was handball, which I cannot understand, so they didn't factor in the Silva handball as part of the decision making process. I really don't understand that but it would be nice if the chief referee was able to give technical explanations to media for controversial decisions after all the games are finished to help everyone understand better how VAR works.

In the same article above, I suppose I should link to it since I've referenced it 3 times now, the chief for VAR gives themselves 7 out of 10 and seems quite pleased with that score.

I wouldn't be happy with 7 out of 10.

The comment on the offside images was the most interesting point made by him for me. If it's true that images are much clearer in the VAR room that gives me much greater confidence in the overall success of introducing VAR.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50380641

[baitman]

The silva handball shouldnt be a factor as the rules are clear
Any unintentional handball by the attacking player is ignored and play continues.
Any unintentional handball by a defender, if the arm is moved towards the ball (is that right?), is handball.

[Norbs]

No it wouldn’t. Quite the opposite. The clock goes off so time can’t be wasted. If someone goes down and starts rolling abou the ref just stops the clock.

[Norbs]

The silva handball shouldnt be a factor as the rules are clear
Any unintentional handball by the attacking player is ignored and play continues.
Any unintentional handball by a defender, if the arm is moved towards the ball (is that right?), is handball.

Great. The more they feel cheated the better. **** em. It'd be even better if Trent now came out and said he deliberately stuck his hand out

[topscorer]

The silva handball shouldnt be a factor as the rules are clear
Any unintentional handball by the attacking player is ignored and play continues.
Any unintentional handball by a defender, if the arm is moved towards the ball (is that right?), is handball.

So it's only handball if the defenders hand moves towards the ball?

I thought the rule was changed this season so it was pretty much always handball unless your hands are by your body?

[Sus]

Great. The more they feel cheated the better. **** em. It'd be even better if Trent now came out and said he deliberately stuck his hand out

Ha ha, I'd pay to watch that. I think Guardiola would just explode into little pieces

[baitman]

So it's only handball if the defenders hand moves towards the ball?

I thought the rule was changed this season so it was pretty much always handball unless your hands are by your body?

There is also a consideration if the ball ricochets onto a players arm from his own kick, but nothing is as black and white as its written given the frantic pace of the game and how quickly the ball is bouncing around...

Handballs
Any goal scored or created with the use of the hand or arm will be disallowed this season even if it is accidental.
The handball rule now has extra clarity because it does not consider intent by a player.
Another big change is to do with the position of a player's hand/arm.
If the ball hits a player who has made their body "unnaturally bigger" then a foul will be awarded.

IFAB says that having the hand/arm above shoulder height is rarely a "natural" position and a player is "taking a risk" by having the hand/arm in that position, including when sliding.
It is, however, considered natural for a player to put their arm between their body and the ground for support when falling, so long as the arm is not extended to make the body bigger.

Deflections
Premier League players will be allowed extra leeway when it comes to ricocheted handballs.
It is often impossible to avoid contact with the ball if it has deflected off the body of an opponent, team-mate, or even another part of the own player.
So a handball will not be awarded if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from their own head/body/foot or the head/body/foot of another player who is close/nearby.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/1263332

[McDermotX]

The important thing to keep in mind here is that we did not benefit from any VAR decision the other day. The ref on both occasions waved away any claim immediately both from good positions, just like the good old days, plus the linesman didnt flag for Salah's (unlike Bobby's wrongly, against Villa).

If VAR wasnt about.......that game would have finished 3-1

[dom9]

The important thing to keep in mind here is that we did not benefit from any VAR decision the other day. The ref on both occasions waved away any claim immediately both from good positions, just like the good old days, plus the linesman didnt flag for Salah's (unlike Bobby's wrongly, against Villa).

If VAR wasnt about.......that game would have finished 3-1

VAR reviewed both goals, disrupted the game and the goal celebrations and did not overrule the referee's decision.

So we did benefit from it, and it wasn't like the good old days.

[Fosterbloke]

**** all this VAR ****, just get two referees on the pitch or four linesmen(women) - one for each quadrant.

[Kenneth]

So there was another VAR balls up in the Southampton/Watford game, where an accidental handball by an attacker in the build up went unnoticed. Got me wondering what an attacker is supposed to do if the ball inadvertently hits their hand/arm. It's not a foul that stops play, but if the attack leads to a goal it will be disallowed. So you have clear sight of goal but there's no point shooting, or even crossing it.

There's no clear guidance on how long after the contact the rule applies for, or how many touches are required to negate the hand contact. Smashing the ball back 80 yards to your own keeper or hitting it over the stand are probably the safest options. What is the point of allowing the game to progress?

[Exiled_red]

So there was another VAR balls up in the Southampton/Watford game, where an accidental handball by an attacker in the build up went unnoticed. Got me wondering what an attacker is supposed to do if the ball inadvertently hits their hand/arm. It's not a foul that stops play, but if the attack leads to a goal it will be disallowed. So you have clear sight of goal but there's no point shooting, or even crossing it.

There's no clear guidance on how long after the contact the rule applies for, or how many touches are required to negate the hand contact. Smashing the ball back 80 yards to your own keeper or hitting it over the stand are probably the safest options. What is the point of allowing the game to progress?

I think you should just play to the whistle, if you get the chance stick it in the net. Let VAR make the decision, VAR might have missed it and the goal might stand, it sounds unsporting it's not up to you to referee the game. If you stop play it could lead to discussion with your teammates if they haven't seen the ball hit your arm and distract them from defending the throw, goalkick or whatever. The VAR decision process at least prevents that. The absolute worst thing you can do though is stop playing and leave a live ball, if you aren't playing on you at least need to put the ball out of play, maybe that makes sense if you chasing the game with little time left on the clock and want to preserve it I suppose, but I would play on, try to score and make VAR make the decision in most circumstances I think.

[Exiled_red]

MOTD said that they didn't have the angle when they looked at the Southampton goal at the time they made the decision, but when they saw it 10 mins later from that angle said that it should have been disallowed.

The big question is: Why did they not have all the angle when making the decision, if clearly the needed camera angle exists and they can look at it later, when it's too late?? That is a serious fundamental flaw in the VAR system.

[Kenneth]

People say that the tech isn't the problem, it's the people, but that goes against that somewhat. If you believe them. I find it hard to believe that they had no angle showing it, they must, even if it wasn't the clearest one. The VAR didn't notice but officials never admit to mistakes.

[baitman]

So there was another VAR balls up in the Southampton/Watford game, where an accidental handball by an attacker in the build up went unnoticed. Got me wondering what an attacker is supposed to do if the ball inadvertently hits their hand/arm. It's not a foul that stops play, but if the attack leads to a goal it will be disallowed. So you have clear sight of goal but there's no point shooting, or even crossing it.

There's no clear guidance on how long after the contact the rule applies for, or how many touches are required to negate the hand contact. Smashing the ball back 80 yards to your own keeper or hitting it over the stand are probably the safest options. What is the point of allowing the game to progress?

I saw this on motd (replay at 7am) and it was more than an accidental hand ball, the ball went to the attackers hand and he then looked to scoop the ball forward with a flick of his hand so the ball then went in front of him rather than ran away from him.
Defo a handball.