The World Cup 2018

[Mark79]

Still and slo-mo’s can massively distort things.

The ball deflects off Matuidi, there’s no way Perisic could have seen that and reacted to it in a split second.

Not a deliberate hand ball.

[Mark79]

[Mark79]

And then also add in the VAR ‘clear and obvious’ rule.

[McDermotX]

Still and slo-mo’s can massively distort things.

The ball deflects off Matuidi, there’s no way Perisic could have seen that and reacted to it in a split second.

Not a deliberate hand ball.

Not to mention his hand was naturally on the way down coming down after his leap.
It wasn't a pen in my book. Slow-mo made it look way worse than the way it happened in real-time. The fact that the ref took so long viewing all the slow-mo fed to him massively distorted things.

Pity VAR wasn't so examined on the first goal.

Croatia were done today IMO.

[Kenneth]

I think deliberate is more nuanced than did he intends to handle it, otherwise the best way for defenders to stand when a shot is expected is arms out wide, or a wall at a free kick to stick their hands in the air. They couldn't specifically intend to handle it if the free kick hadn't even been taken yet, but there is an idea that putting your hands out to a position that is likely to impede the ball is intentional, and if it hits it it was therefore deliberate.

[Mark79]

I think deliberate is more nuanced than did he intends to handle it, otherwise the best way for defenders to stand when a shot is expected is arms out wide, or a wall at a free kick to stick their hands in the air. They couldn't specifically intend to handle it if the free kick hadn't even been taken yet, but there is an idea that putting your hands out to a position that is likely to impede the ball is intentional, and if it hits it it was therefore deliberate.

Eh? If they’re expecting a shot, then putting their hands up is a deliberate act to make contact with the ball using their hand

[Fivex]

I think he’s saying there’s engineering a ball to hand in addition to the handball/ball to hand binary

[dom9]

I think he’s saying there’s engineering a ball to hand in addition to the handball/ball to hand binary

Yes. That's what he's saying.

But.. that is clearly not what actually happened.

Anyway, it's done now. Injustice rules again. But Croatia should be immensely proud at being overall the best team in the tournament.

An incredible achievement really.

[Mark79]

I think he’s saying there’s engineering a ball to hand in addition to the handball/ball to hand binary

Ball to hand would be irrelevant in that situation. Standing with your arms up in front of a free kick would clearly a deliberate attempt to make contact with the ball using a hand or arm.

[Tee]

Overall, France deserved winners beating the likes of Belgium, Argentina, Uruguay and of course Croatia in the final.

I have enjoyed this World Cup immensely having had a chance to watch almost every single game, it has been the best one for me since 1990. Russia seemingly did a fantastic job as hosts as well.

[Kenneth]

Ball to hand would be irrelevant in that situation. Standing with your arms up in front of a free kick would clearly a deliberate attempt to make contact with the ball using a hand or arm.

If you don't know where the ball is going, how can you be deliberately trying to handle it, in the strict sense? There's ball to hand where a defender is in now way using his hand for an advantage, there's deliberate handball where the defender sees the ball and tries to make contact with it with his hand, and there's the pseudo deliberate situation where the hands are placed in a position that produces a likelihood of the ball hitting it, or makes things harder for the striker in terms of being able to hit the target. The latter two are considered deliberate and are handball. Not that any of this is necessarily relevant. Or interesting.

[dom9]

If you don't know where the ball is going, how can you be deliberately trying to handle it, in the strict sense? There's ball to hand where a defender is in now way using his hand for an advantage, there's deliberate handball where the defender sees the ball and tries to make contact with it with his hand, and there's the pseudo deliberate situation where the hands are placed in a position that produces a likelihood of the ball hitting it, or makes things harder for the striker in terms of being able to hit the target. The latter two are considered deliberate and are handball. Not that any of this is necessarily relevant. Or interesting.

... Or what happened

[Roboklopp]

Meh. ****ing ****houses.

[Mark79]

If you don't know where the ball is going, how can you be deliberately trying to handle it, in the strict sense? There's ball to hand where a defender is in now way using his hand for an advantage, there's deliberate handball where the defender sees the ball and tries to make contact with it with his hand, and there's the pseudo deliberate situation where the hands are placed in a position that produces a likelihood of the ball hitting it, or makes things harder for the striker in terms of being able to hit the target. The latter two are considered deliberate and are handball. Not that any of this is necessarily relevant. Or interesting.

If you’re standing in a wall, you’re there to try to block the free kick. You know the ball is coming in your direction.
If you’re standing in the wall with your hands up, you’re trying to block the free kick with your hands. That’s deliberate contact.

[Mark79]

... Or what happened

Yes, or this.