The World Cup 2018

[Red_Polo]

If you’re standing in a wall, you’re there to try to block the free kick. You know the ball is coming in your direction.
If you’re standing in the wall with your hands up, you’re trying to block the free kick with your hands. That’s deliberate contact.

If you're in the wall and jump, you use your arms to lever your jump just like everyone else in the world does, unless you're one of those fannies that covers their nads. Your arms go up just as you're about to jump, and down just before you start to fall. That's not about putting them somewhere they are more likely to illegally block the ball, it's about naturally moving in a way that moves the rest of your body into position in an attempt to legally block the ball.

In other words, you can view deliberacy from this sort of probabilistic sense, however it matters not a jot in this scenario since the motion was clearly the normal way someone would move when seeking to play by the rules.

[Mark79]

If you're in the wall and jump, you use your arms to lever your jump just like everyone else in the world does, unless you're one of those fannies that covers their nads. Your arms go up just as you're about to jump, and down just before you start to fall. That's not about putting them somewhere they are more likely to illegally block the ball, it's about naturally moving in a way that moves the rest of your body into position in an attempt to legally block the ball.

In other words, you can view deliberacy from this sort of probabilistic sense, however it matters not a jot in this scenario since the motion was clearly the normal way someone would move when seeking to play by the rules.

That’s not what Kenneth was describing though. He was talking about standing in the wall with arms above heads.

Anyway, this is all irrelevant.

[Red_Polo]

That’s not what Kenneth was describing though. He was talking about standing in the wall with arms above heads.

Anyway, this is all irrelevant.

Exactly, I agree that would be deliberate. Whereas what actually happened, really wasn't.

[Mark79]

Exactly, I agree that would be deliberate. Whereas what actually happened, really wasn't.

That’s it

[McDermotX]

Interesting take on today from F365's conclusions...much if what has been highlighted already on here today.

Long story short.......Croatia got shafted and VAR needs a hell of a lot of work.

7) During the knockout stages of this tournament, VAR controversies – or controversies involving referees’ interpretation of VAR replays – have largely been kept to a minimum. That all changed in the final, just as FIFA must have hoped everything would go smoothly.


Firstly, France were always going to be awarded a penalty as soon as Nestor Pistana went to watch the replay. We have seen time and again in this World Cup that a referee not awarding a penalty for handball is followed by mass appeals from the attacking team, the word in the ear from the officials watching the replays and then the jog of referee to screen. Having been told he should look at an incident because an error may have occurred, a referee is clearly swayed by that advice.

But here’s the thing: I don’t know what handball is anymore. I always assumed it had to be deliberate, with caveats for arms in unnatural positions and the amount of time the player has to react. There is an argument that Perisic’s hand was in a slightly unnatural position, although not wildly, but he was also very close to the player whose header changed the ball’s direction; it was certainly not deliberate.

But the rules on handballs have changed. Watching football in slow-motion distorts the coverage. It makes incidents that are far from clear-cut in real-time look more obvious. A year ago, that penalty would never have been given for handball. Without the wording of the rules being changed, it is now more likely to be given.



8) That raises two obvious questions:

a) Is it fair on the players for decisions that are so important to the final result to change so radically after the introduction of an initiative? They are having to learn to change their behaviour, but having to learn on the hop without any guidance other than real-time precedent.

b) Does watching slow-motion replays of handball incidents create such a distorted reality that it actually moves away from the very notion of finding the ‘right’ decision? If we have agreed that handball decisions are now changing, what is ‘right’ after all?

Finally, one more question is raised. In their bumph when introducing VAR, FIFA mentioned the term ‘clear and obvious error’. That term has had its usage scaled back since, as if FIFA are keen to move away from it, but that is how VAR was sold to managers, players and spectators. The idea was that huge mistakes would be eradicated.

If referee Pistana has to watch seven or eight slow-motion replays, walk away from the screen and then walk back to the screen to watch another two replays before reversing his original call, how on earth can it be ‘clear and obvious’?

https://www.football365.com/news/world-cup-2018-final-16-conclusions

[dom9]

In other news, I'm a big fan of Perisic.

Skillful, grafter, ugly and beautiful. A number 4 who plays like a number 11.

A juxtaposition, but a big game player.

I'd take him for LFC in an instant.

[-V-]

In other news, I'm a big fan of Perisic.

Skillful, grafter, ugly and beautiful. A number 4 who plays like a number 11.

A juxtaposition, but a big game player.

I'd take him for LFC in an instant.

You and everyone else.

[Fosterbloke]

In other news, I'm a big fan of Perisic.

Skillful, grafter, ugly and beautiful. A number 4 who plays like a number 11.

A juxtaposition, but a big game player.

I'd take him for LFC in an instant.

Agreed, reminds me of Firmino actually. Shame he's 31 as he'd be on Klopp's radar I believe.

[danperkins]

When you slow it down to super slow motion, yes. It looks deliberate as there is a motion.

Look at it in anything like real-time and that is impossible.

Yeah it's a difficult one. I did think Croatia were hard done by today .

[dom9]

Yeah it's a difficult one. I did think Croatia were hard done by today .

It's only difficult if you're brain works in slow motion to be fair.

[Fosterbloke]

Two of the biggest cunts in world football got exposed this World Cup. Unfortunately one of them profited from it.

(Griezmann and Neymar)

[Kenneth]

It's only difficult if you're brain works in slow motion to be fair.

Taking it well.

[Red_Polo]

Taking it well.

[RedReet]

So inside the box, a keeper can throw his boots and shinguards at the ball?

[Shaggy]

Agreed, reminds me of Firmino actually. Shame he's 31 as he'd be on Klopp's radar I believe.

Played for Klopp at Dortmund.