OK... so heres the question!

[Harv]

You lot are all obviously quite pissed of right now about that result. Fair enough, but its not the end of our season

But reading another forum (6CM) it appears that quite a number of people there would like Rafa to leave. Ryan has started a post about how "The rafalution is complete bollocks....and the only reason we have won those trophies is because of Gerrard" he's correct, but every team that wins a trophy has a great player that standsout above the rest....Ronaldinho, Terry, Henry etc etc would thos clubs be as successful without those players? I think not.

What are the general feelings here?

IMO he is the right man for the job, its just takes time, and Liverpool fans are getting impatiant waiting for #19. He has made a few mistakes...everybody does, but we have also won some amazing games with him, and he isn't as stubborn as everyone thinks...certainly not Houllier proportions....he has fixed many problems that we had from Houlliers reign and its going to take time to all come together.

i believe he will get us there

[Guest]

I think that the problem is always down to people who think they know better. I mean, the press / the fans will be pilloring Rafa for not having fielded a full team but who are they / we to doubt his decisions ?

He won the Champions League and the FA Cup the season next, 2 spanish titles and 2 UEFA Cups with Valencia. Does that make him not good enough ??

I can see the same pattern, compared to what happened with Ged, happening with Rafa. A bright start and once one or two results doesn't go our way, criticism starts from all circle. As if it was easy in the first place.

We need more quality, that's a fact, especially in the centre forward positions. I love Robbie, but to be honest he's not of the required standard based on last night's performance. We need more pace upfront and on the wings.

I know that the sooner players such as Gonzales, Aurelio, Paletta and Pennant find their feet and start producing what they are capable of, we'll be much much better. Could we be more patient and let Rafa do his work ?

[FowlerLeftFoot]

I love Robbie, but to be honest he's not of the required standard based on last night's performance.

He seems to score every time he gets to play.....hmm......definately not good enough for our striker standards nowadays.

[Icon]

...... Gonzales, Aurelio, Paletta and Pennant find their feet and start producing what they are capable of.....

I dont think that what they are capable of is up to standard.
DO anyone really think we can win the Prem with players like these?

[Harv]

Aurelio is a good squad player...and as a free transfer i felt was good business.

Gonzalez COULD become the player we hoped we were signing. He needs some ime though.

Pennant...well im not sure on him. I would try to get SWP from the chavs..not much chance, but we have to try.

[Eth]

We sack Rafa today - who the hell will we replace him with?

2 bad results at home from under strength teams in both games.

If we played reina in goal I really think that our defence would have been more comfortable

Don't think rafa will make anymore promises about playing in the cup to an members of the squad.

[nebbers]

Last night showed the lack of real quality in our squad. This is not down to Rafa as he has been forced to beg for breadcrumbs in the transfer market. Hopefully DIC will sort that out in the coming months.

The other problem that was shown for all to see, lies with the reserves. We all see it with the poor results in the reserves league. This is where we need another Rafalution. We can only buy so many players. It is down to the academy and the reserves to provide an equal amount of talent.

[AFII]

Rafa have showed one weakness so far and that is to motivate the players.

He is the right man for us, without any doubt at all.

The question should be if Stevie is the right man to be our Captain?

A good Captain should get the team up in difficult situations and you don't see Stevie do that enough IMO.

Neville is a good Captain, he shouts at the players all the time, the same can be said about Terry.

[Harv]

Rafa have showed one weakness so far and that is to motivate the players.

He is the right man for us, without any doubt at all.

The question should be if Stevie is the right man to be our Captain?

A good Captain should get the team up in difficult situations and you don't see Stevie do that enough IMO.

Neville is a good Captain, he shouts at the players all the time, the same can be said about Terry.

spot on. Stevie is a great player...but a captain he is not Carra should have the armband

[redlancer]

Rafa have showed one weakness so far and that is to motivate the players.

He is the right man for us, without any doubt at all.

The question should be if Stevie is the right man to be our Captain?

A good Captain should get the team up in difficult situations and you don't see Stevie do that enough IMO.

Neville is a good Captain, he shouts at the players all the time, the same can be said about Terry.

last night not one captain on the pitch
no good blooding youngsters and fringe players with no leader

look how the chavs have suffered without Cech and terry

We can i believe recall Carson at any time, so why even waste time with Dudek. What's point of putting a player who doesn't have that goalie arrogance in Goal in 2 big match's when not match fit.

Our defence was all over the place or just stood there like lemons, if they're not natural leaders then put someone in there to organise them.
Thoose fringe players learn't nothing last night apart from they'll be in the record books

[FatTony]

I think Rafa is the man for the job. We've won enough under him in his first 2 seasons, however, I do not believe the guy can spot talent, in fact, when it comes to bringing players in, I think he's one of the worst in the premiership (based on transfer kitty)

He's a manager, he's methodically and has a painstaking approach to detail, but we need to get somebody else in to decide on what players we should be buying. He's brought the odd one or two half decent buys in, but name one storming transfer?

Leave Rafa to the management of the team, bring someone else in asap to look after our transfers.

[stigu21]

last night not one captain on the pitch
no good blooding youngsters and fringe players with no leader

look how the chavs have suffered without Cech and terry

We can i believe recall Carson at any time, so why even waste time with Dudek. What's point of putting a player who doesn't have that goalie arrogance in Goal in 2 big match's when not match fit.

Our defence was all over the place or just stood there like lemons, if they're not natural leaders then put someone in there to organise them.
Thoose fringe players learn't nothing last night apart from they'll be in the record books

The defence was abysmal last night!. How come that every goalie that comes to us doesn't improve?
Get rid of dudek, get carson back. All wasn't dudeks fault and he did a great save from the penalty kick Arseanal got.

Yeah, does help for a while. last night paletta and Hyypiä was a joke.
Gerrard is no captain. Carra is. Hyypiä was.
Fowler could be.

Come on people, YNWA.

We'll get back!

[bazza76]

You lot are all obviously quite pissed of right now about that result. Fair enough, but its not the end of our season

But reading another forum (6CM) it appears that quite a number of people there would like Rafa to leave. Ryan has started a post about how "The rafalution is complete bollocks....and the only reason we have won those trophies is because of Gerrard" he's correct, but every team that wins a trophy has a great player that standsout above the rest....Ronaldinho, Terry, Henry etc etc would thos clubs be as successful without those players? I think not.

What are the general feelings here?

IMO he is the right man for the job, its just takes time, and Liverpool fans are getting impatiant waiting for #19. He has made a few mistakes...everybody does, but we have also won some amazing games with him, and he isn't as stubborn as everyone thinks...certainly not Houllier proportions....he has fixed many problems that we had from Houlliers reign and its going to take time to all come together.

i believe he will get us there

Ive never visited that forum.
But reading your post will guarintee i will never visit it either.

[Big Dave]

I think Rafa is the man for the job. We've won enough under him in his first 2 seasons, however, I do not believe the guy can spot talent, in fact, when it comes to bringing players in, I think he's one of the worst in the premiership (based on transfer kitty)

He's a manager, he's methodically and has a painstaking approach to detail, but we need to get somebody else in to decide on what players we should be buying. He's brought the odd one or two half decent buys in, but name one storming transfer?

Leave Rafa to the management of the team, bring someone else in asap to look after our transfers.

Can't say I agree here mate, I think on the whole, Rafa's transfers have all worked pretty well. Alonso, Sissoko and Garcia have had a big impact on the team/squad, and I'm sure Kuyt will too. There have been a few bad 'uns but who at the time would have thought that Morientes would have flopped so badly. I think that the big problem lies in his hands being tied all the time due to our financial problems. We at the mo, can afford 1 £10m player a year with a few cheaper squad players, when in reality we've needed to bring in 3-4 £10m+ players. The likes of Crouch, Bellamy and Pennant are all decent squad players who try hard for the team, but if we're going to compete at the top level, they're just not good enough. Until we get some financing in though, this is what Rafa has to work with.

It's going to take a long time though I think to sort out the reserves/youth set up. Let's face it, our first team squad is thin!

[Rich]

Rafa is in a tough situation as he doesn't know how Gerrard would react if the armband was taken away from him - I'd expect him to sulk. So, he's left with a decision from the Ged days with is have an effect today.

Carragher should be captain, not because he cares more for the club, but because he is more vocal than Stevie G, and his personality is more suited to that of a captain.

I believe that would lift a little of the burden on Gerrard and free up his game.