Fifa re-open case ! Mascherano to Liverpool deal back on...

[thesilverfoxlfc]

Cant they be merged?

[Speedy]

Cant they be merged?

This is significant progress though. I think he could be a better player than Xabi. Settling in could be the big issue though.

[Red Chilli]

This is significant progress though. I think he could be a better player than Xabi. Settling in could be the big issue though.

[Morph]

I really am excited about the idea of this lad coming here, could be one of the deals of the year if he's as good as most make out that he is

[thesilverfoxlfc]

I like the fact its a loan first to see how he goes with us and allows him to bed in with the team for these six months ahead of the proposed permanent deal

[Harv]

I love the way you've just made this up to suit your own agenda. I've never said I don't like Argentinians, there is the odd Argentinian I don't like but that has nothing to do with their nationality.

You do realise that if you can't have a debate over an issue without resorting to name calling and baselessly accusing people of racism it actually weakens your argument and makes you look very stupid and immature.

righto, think what you want mate.

every Argie that has been mentioned on this site you seem to have a problem with.

and you still have'nt given a reason WHY he wont adapt.

[Red Chilli]

and you still have'nt given a reason WHY he wont adapt.

Yes I have.
Number 1: History suggests south american players have a problem adjusting to the premiership.
2: He's already failed to adapt in the premiership as he can't get on the West Ham bench.
3: He's a whining clown who won't fight for his place at West Ham and would rather jump ship from a club he joined only 5 months ago claiming he was proud to join them. He's clearly got no stomach for hard work if that's his attitude and therefore he won't survive in the premiership.

[Flake]

You can have the 1st point cause I can't be arsed to find any examples...

however. your second can be disputed purely on the basis of the amount of playing time he's been afforded, and you third point is open for debate, even by west ham fans, who themselves believe there is an agenda beyond the players ability....

I don't know the player at all, either of you could be correct as to the likliehood of his success or otherwise, but you are being spectacularly intransigent on this subject...

[Red Chilli]

I'm always intransigent until I'm proved wrong then I'm happy to admit it.

When I was a lad, if you didn't get in the team, it wasn't because the club had an agenda against you, despite a managerial change and a club ownership change, it was because you weren't good enough. You had to earn your place in the team and if you didn't and you cried off then no-one wanted to know.
If he is good enough, given their current predicament, they'd be CRAZY not to play him. The fact that he isn't playing suggests to me that either he isn't good enough or their is something wrong with his attitude or his state of mind-suggesting he hasn't settled.

[Ballykissdevil]

Yes I have.
Number 1: History suggests south american players have a problem adjusting to the premiership.
2: He's already failed to adapt in the premiership as he can't get on the West Ham bench.
3: He's a whining clown who won't fight for his place at West Ham and would rather jump ship from a club he joined only 5 months ago claiming he was proud to join them. He's clearly got no stomach for hard work if that's his attitude and therefore he won't survive in the premiership.

Here's a question for you.

If you were at West Ham, utterly unhappy and totally unsettled, and then Liverpool and Juventus came in for you, would you be in any hurry to start "sticking around and fighting for your place" or would you jump ship to a better club with more prospects? In fact...don't answer that. I think there's answer enough.

History? History means nothing. If you are labelling all South Americans and tarring them with the same brush just because of "history" then that's absolute ****e, imo. You can't turn your nose up to a whole race of people just because, in your opinon, history dictates that they will be ****. You don't get anywhere if you dont take a chance. History dictated that all women with six toes were witches and should be killed. History dictates a lot of **** that isn't true.

He can't get onto the West Ham bench because he's made it clear he wants to leave, they have a new manager who KNOWS he wants to leave so, let me ask you, why would Curbishley bother? Why bother putting somebody into the team if he's clearly on his way out of it? Why bother having the other players adapt to somebody who's probably ****ing off in two weeks time?

Listen to your arguments.

[Flake]

I'm always intransigent until I'm proved wrong then I'm happy to admit it.

When I was a lad, if you didn't get in the team, it wasn't because the club had an agenda against you, despite a managerial change and a club ownership change, it was because you weren't good enough. You had to earn your place in the team and if you didn't and you cried off then no-one wanted to know.
If he is good enough, given their current predicament, they'd be CRAZY not to play him. The fact that he isn't playing suggests to me that either he isn't good enough or their is something wrong with his attitude or his state of mind-suggesting he hasn't settled.

I would normally agree with you completeley on this, but I really have the feeling there's more to this one...
Of course I could be completely wrong...

[Harv]

Yes I have.
Number 1: History suggests south american players have a problem adjusting to the premiership.
2: He's already failed to adapt in the premiership as he can't get on the West Ham bench.
3: He's a whining clown who won't fight for his place at West Ham and would rather jump ship from a club he joined only 5 months ago claiming he was proud to join them. He's clearly got no stomach for hard work if that's his attitude and therefore he won't survive in the premiership.

well thats bollocks for a start.

Ardiles, Juninho, Emerson, Poyet, Heinze, Crespo wasn't bad, Gilberto et al. They all did fairly well. Crespo failed to settle in that first season, but he was much better last season for the Chavs. The only one i recent memory that has failed (being high profile) in Veron. But he was bound to fail, he is a pansy, never tackled in the Serie A (contrary to your beliefs) and he was played in the wrong position by Utd. They used him as a defensive mid, and even as a wing back in one game i remember.

Mascherano hasn't even been given a chance. 5 starts for them in the premier league isnt a good barometer of how good a player he is. The games ive seen him play for them he hasn't looked bad at all. He has only said he wants to leave because they have made it clear that he hasn't got a future with them.

agree to disagree as the great Ron Burgundy said This is going no where

[Red Chilli]

If you ignore history and don't learn the lessons from it then you are dangerously ignorant.
He wanted MY reason why I don't think he'll settle. I've set them out, if they're not good enough for you then tough **** lad.

Why bother putting a world class player in your team when you are in a relegation fight and FIFA has said their rules apply? I wonder.
Why bother playing him for more than 6 minutes this season, why couldn't he get in Pardew's team?

[lfc4ever]

agree to disagree as the great Ron Burgundy said This is going no where

Quite right, it was never going anywhere in the first place, except round in circles where we only end up right back where we started, but the jounrey was fun all the same.

[Red Chilli]

Juninho, Emerson, one season wonders who took Boro down.
Ardiles has never played in the premiership, he was a manager though

Poyet - squad player at best.
Crespo-didn't last a season.
Gilberto I will give you.