Liverpool in The 70s + 80s

[SouthAfricaRed]

People seem to think that Liverpool won every game in the 70s and 80s. It's not True

Yes we were winning the League More often than not but we were Not winning all games.

Let's compare Liverpool's Season 2005/2006 with the 70s and 80s

38 Games/Season
2005/2006 P:38 W:25 D:7 L:6 Pts:82 F:3

1989/1990 P:38 W:23 D:10 L:5 Pts:79 F:1
1988/1989 P:38 W:22 D:10 L:6 Pts:76 F:2

40 Games/Season
1987/1988 P:40 W:26 D:12 L:2 Pts:90 F:1

42 Games/Season
1986/1987 P:42 W:22 D:9 L:11 Pts:75 F:2
1985/1986 P:42 W:26 D:10 L:6 Pts:88 F:1
1984/1985 P:42 W:22 D:11 L:9 Pts:77 F:3
1983/1984 P:42 W:22 D:14 L:6 Pts:80 F:1
1982/1983 P:42 W:24 D:10 L:8 Pts:82 F:1
1981/1982 P:42 W:26 D:9 L:7 Pts:87 F:1

2 Pts - Win 1Pt - Draw (Pts Today)
1980/1981 P:42 W:17 D:17 L:8 Pts:51 F:5 (68)
1979/1980 P:42 W:25 D:10 L:7 Pts:60 F:1 (85)
1978/1979 P:42 W:30 D:8 L:4 Pts:68 F:1 (98)
1977/1978 P:42 W:24 D:9 L:9 Pts:57 F:2 (81)
1976/1977 P:42 W:23 D:11 L:8 Pts:57 F:1 (80)
1975/1976 P:42 W:23 D:14 L:5 Pts:60 F:1 (83)
1974/1975 P:42 W:20 D:11 L:11 Pts:51 F:2 (71)
1973/1974 P:42 W:22 D:13 L:7 Pts:57 F:2 (79)
1972/1973 P:42 W:25 D:10 L:7 Pts:60 F:1 (85)
1971/1972 P:42 W:24 D:9 L:9 Pts:57 F:3 (81)
1970/1971 P:42 W:17 D:17 L:8 Pts:51 F:5 (68)

So Only in 87/88 (26/40), 85/86 (26/42), 81/82 (26/42) and 78/79 (30/42) Did we have more wins than last season and they all had more games to play

Our Points total of 82 is only beaten by 87/88 (90/40), 85/86 (88/42), 81/82 (87/42), 79/80 (85/42), 78/79 (98/42), 75/76 (83/42) and 72/73 (85/42). All had more Games

So stop Telling me How **** we are now and how Great the teams of the 70s and 80s were

Difference is that Manure, Arsenal and now Chelski have raised the bar dramatically

[Red Chilli]

The league was more competitive in those days, there wasn't a big 4 which never changed. I judge a team based on performance against it's contemporaries and in the 70's and 80's we were the outstanding team. We're not now though.

[Shaggy]

The league was more competitive in those days, there wasn't a big 4 which never changed. I judge a team based on performance against it's contemporaries and in the 70's and 80's we were the outstanding team. We're not now though.

You don't apply the same to Roger Federer.

[Red Chilli]

You don't apply the same to Roger Federer.

He's not a team

[SouthAfricaRed]

The league was more competitive in those days, there wasn't a big 4 which never changed. I judge a team based on performance against it's contemporaries and in the 70's and 80's we were the outstanding team. We're not now though.

Yes I agree 100%

But the point I was trying to make was that some on here think that the teams of the 70s and 80s played brilliant football game after game, pulverising all opposition.

That is just not the way it happened

[Rigadon]

Yes I agree 100%

But the point I was trying to make was that some on here think that the teams of the 70s and 80s played brilliant football game after game, pulverising all opposition.

That is just not the way it happened

Late 70's and early 80's - Liverpool, Forest, Villa - best teams in Europe. The old 1st division was very competitive.

[red g]

People seem to think that Liverpool won every game in the 70s and 80s. It's not True

Yes we were winning the League More often than not but we were Not winning all games.

Let's compare Liverpool's Season 2005/2006 with the 70s and 80s

38 Games/Season
2005/2006 P:38 W:25 D:7 L:6 Pts:82 F:3

1989/1990 P:38 W:23 D:10 L:5 Pts:79 F:1
1988/1989 P:38 W:22 D:10 L:6 Pts:76 F:2

40 Games/Season
1987/1988 P:40 W:26 D:12 L:2 Pts:90 F:1

42 Games/Season
1986/1987 P:42 W:22 D:9 L:11 Pts:75 F:2
1985/1986 P:42 W:26 D:10 L:6 Pts:88 F:1
1984/1985 P:42 W:22 D:11 L:9 Pts:77 F:3
1983/1984 P:42 W:22 D:14 L:6 Pts:80 F:1
1982/1983 P:42 W:24 D:10 L:8 Pts:82 F:1
1981/1982 P:42 W:26 D:9 L:7 Pts:87 F:1

2 Pts - Win 1Pt - Draw (Pts Today)
1980/1981 P:42 W:17 D:17 L:8 Pts:51 F:5 (68)
1979/1980 P:42 W:25 D:10 L:7 Pts:60 F:1 (85)
1978/1979 P:42 W:30 D:8 L:4 Pts:68 F:1 (98)
1977/1978 P:42 W:24 D:9 L:9 Pts:57 F:2 (81)
1976/1977 P:42 W:23 D:11 L:8 Pts:57 F:1 (80)
1975/1976 P:42 W:23 D:14 L:5 Pts:60 F:1 (83)
1974/1975 P:42 W:20 D:11 L:11 Pts:51 F:2 (71)
1973/1974 P:42 W:22 D:13 L:7 Pts:57 F:2 (79)
1972/1973 P:42 W:25 D:10 L:7 Pts:60 F:1 (85)
1971/1972 P:42 W:24 D:9 L:9 Pts:57 F:3 (81)
1970/1971 P:42 W:17 D:17 L:8 Pts:51 F:5 (68)

So Only in 87/88 (26/40), 85/86 (26/42), 81/82 (26/42) and 78/79 (30/42) Did we have more wins than last season and they all had more games to play

Our Points total of 82 is only beaten by 87/88 (90/40), 85/86 (88/42), 81/82 (87/42), 79/80 (85/42), 78/79 (98/42), 75/76 (83/42) and 72/73 (85/42). All had more Games

So stop Telling me How **** we are now and how Great the teams of the 70s and 80s were

Difference is that Manure, Arsenal and now Chelski have raised the bar dramatically

but they were, back then we had the best players keegan, souness, King kenny, Barnes, Rush, kennedy, neal, hansen,lawrensen et al. all outstanding world class players of there generation.

In the last ten years we have had 3 of which we have kept one. Fowler could have been, and owen was for a couple of seasons.

\we were the best team, had the best players and the biggest clout. That cannnot be said of now.

[Dhav]

The league was more competitive in those days, there wasn't a big 4 which never changed. I judge a team based on performance against it's contemporaries and in the 70's and 80's we were the outstanding team. We're not now though.

I tend to agree with this. I dont think it is the case that Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U have raised the bar. I mean has their standard really improved a lot or is it the fact that outside the top four the standard is a lot lower than it was 20 years ago? I mean then you had teams like Forest winning the league in their first season in the top flight, Watford finishing second, Southampton and West Ham being title contenders, along with the usual suspects of Everton, Arsenal, Man U being contenders regularly. There wasn't such a disparity between the top and mid-table clubs as the standard throughout the whole league was higher. Look at how English clubs dominated Europe then, while struggling to have that same impact on the continent now. I think this has a lot to do with lack of consistently high level of competition on a regular basis domestically. How can whipping the likes of Watford, Sheff Utd, Bolton prepare you for games against Barcelona and Milan?

Since the money has come into the game (ie Premiership and Champions League) and concentrated on the top 4-5 clubs, the disparity between them and the rest has widened, and will only continue to do so.

So while we might have a comparable record in terms of points won to the teams of the 70s and 80s, it was a different era then, and different standards so it's hard to say the team of today bears reasonable comparison to great teams of the past.

[Dhav]

Yes I agree 100%

But the point I was trying to make was that some on here think that the teams of the 70s and 80s played brilliant football game after game, pulverising all opposition.

That is just not the way it happened

It is in 1988

[SouthAfricaRed]

but they were, back then we had the best players keegan, souness, King kenny, Barnes, Rush, kennedy, neal, hansen,lawrensen et al. all outstanding world class players of there generation..

Were they Really? None of them won any International Trophies or showed much in European or World Cups?

We were the Best TEAM in The World IMO, but Not one of the players were better ranked in the World than Gerrard is today

In the last ten years we have had 3 of which we have kept one. Fowler could have been, and owen was for a couple of seasons.

\we were the best team, had the best players and the biggest clout. That cannnot be said of now.

But we didn't win as much then as People like to think.

A perfect example is the FA Cup. We got beaten Year after Year by teams that would create an outcry today.

The only teams that totally dominated the League were those of 78/79 and 87/88. And even they lost to Wimbledon (88 Final) and Utd (79 SF) in FA Cup

[SouthAfricaRed]

It is in 1988

And lost to Wimbledon in 88 FA Cup Final And against Everton in The League Cup - 3rd Round

IMO the 87/88 was the 2nd Best Liverpool Team ever, but played the Best Football Ever

Number 1 for me is the 78/79 Team.

Full Record

P:42 W:30 D:8 L:4 GF:85 GA:16 GD:69 Pts:68

But they lost against Utd in FA Cup SF, Against Sheff Utd in League Cup - 2nd Round, Against Forest in Euro Cup - 1st round and Anderlecht in Euro Super Cup

[red g]

but they were, back then we had the best players keegan, souness, King kenny, Barnes, Rush, kennedy, neal, hansen,lawrensen et al. all outstanding world class players of there generation..

Were they Really? None of them won any International Trophies or showed much in European or World Cups?

hmmmm Thnats like saying george best wasnt world class. Rush, hansen, lawrensen, kenny none of them had a chance to show what they could do on the world stage

We were the Best TEAM in The World IMO, but Not one of the players were better ranked in the World than Gerrard is today

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Originally Posted by red g View Post

In the last ten years we have had 3 of which we have kept one. Fowler could have been, and owen was for a couple of seasons.

\we were the best team, had the best players and the biggest clout. That cannnot be said of now.
But we didn't win as much then as People like to think.

A perfect example is the FA Cup. We got beaten Year after Year by teams that would create an outcry today.

The only teams that totally dominated the League were those of 78/79 and 87/88. And even they lost to Wimbledon (88 Final) and Utd (79 SF) in FA Cup

Yes i agree, but the difference was we were the best, no doubt for a prolonged period.

Ok we are winning more now, but we have 2 teams financially ahead of us by a country mile and another team on a par/better than us.

So people can look back on the glory days because it doesnt matter if we win 37 games out of 38 if Chelsea win all 38. I look back on the glory days of Liverpool FC with pride about being the best team in the land, i remember losing plenty of games back then, being ****e pre-season, being crap in cups but we were there to be shot at, much as chelsea are now.

[Dhav]

And lost to Wimbledon in 88 FA Cup Final And against Everton in The League Cup - 3rd Round

IMO the 87/88 was the 2nd Best Liverpool Team ever, but played the Best Football Ever

Number 1 for me is the 78/79 Team.

Full Record

P:42 W:30 D:8 L:4 GF:85 GA:16 GD:69 Pts:68

But they lost against Utd in FA Cup SF, Against Sheff Utd in League Cup - 2nd Round, Against Forest in Euro Cup - 1st round and Anderlecht in Euro Super Cup

Yeah mate, but it's like I said, standard of the rest of the league was a lot higher then than it is now. That's why you got Forest and Villa winning the European Cup, and Coventry and Wimbledon winning the FA Cup. That doesnt happen now. 1995 was the last time a team outside of Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U won the FA Cup.

Wimbledon were a top 8 club then, by no means a bad team, but today it's like Bolton winning the Cup - just wouldnt happen.

Man U of 1994 - 20001, or Arsenal of 1998, 2004 - I bet there is no way they would have dominated the league in the same way if they played 20-30 years ago.

[enema of the state]

People seem to think that Liverpool won every game in the 70s and 80s. It's not True

Yes we were winning the League More often than not but we were Not winning all games.

Let's compare Liverpool's Season 2005/2006 with the 70s and 80s

38 Games/Season
2005/2006 P:38 W:25 D:7 L:6 Pts:82 F:3

1989/1990 P:38 W:23 D:10 L:5 Pts:79 F:1
1988/1989 P:38 W:22 D:10 L:6 Pts:76 F:2

40 Games/Season
1987/1988 P:40 W:26 D:12 L:2 Pts:90 F:1

42 Games/Season
1986/1987 P:42 W:22 D:9 L:11 Pts:75 F:2
1985/1986 P:42 W:26 D:10 L:6 Pts:88 F:1
1984/1985 P:42 W:22 D:11 L:9 Pts:77 F:3
1983/1984 P:42 W:22 D:14 L:6 Pts:80 F:1
1982/1983 P:42 W:24 D:10 L:8 Pts:82 F:1
1981/1982 P:42 W:26 D:9 L:7 Pts:87 F:1

2 Pts - Win 1Pt - Draw (Pts Today)
1980/1981 P:42 W:17 D:17 L:8 Pts:51 F:5 (68)
1979/1980 P:42 W:25 D:10 L:7 Pts:60 F:1 (85)
1978/1979 P:42 W:30 D:8 L:4 Pts:68 F:1 (98)
1977/1978 P:42 W:24 D:9 L:9 Pts:57 F:2 (81)
1976/1977 P:42 W:23 D:11 L:8 Pts:57 F:1 (80)
1975/1976 P:42 W:23 D:14 L:5 Pts:60 F:1 (83)
1974/1975 P:42 W:20 D:11 L:11 Pts:51 F:2 (71)
1973/1974 P:42 W:22 D:13 L:7 Pts:57 F:2 (79)
1972/1973 P:42 W:25 D:10 L:7 Pts:60 F:1 (85)
1971/1972 P:42 W:24 D:9 L:9 Pts:57 F:3 (81)
1970/1971 P:42 W:17 D:17 L:8 Pts:51 F:5 (68)

So Only in 87/88 (26/40), 85/86 (26/42), 81/82 (26/42) and 78/79 (30/42) Did we have more wins than last season and they all had more games to play

Our Points total of 82 is only beaten by 87/88 (90/40), 85/86 (88/42), 81/82 (87/42), 79/80 (85/42), 78/79 (98/42), 75/76 (83/42) and 72/73 (85/42). All had more Games

So stop Telling me How **** we are now and how Great the teams of the 70s and 80s were

Difference is that Manure, Arsenal and now Chelski have raised the bar dramatically

silly silly post

the financial changes of the premiership era have polarised the game. the chances of a lower side beating the champions have diminished - apply your fetish for retrospective football statistics and youll find the proof.

eg: the feat of the 78/9 lfc side is better - imo - than that of the recent unbeaten arsenal champions. they had opposition far closer to their level EVERY week.

those boys executed basic football techniques much better and reliably than the current lfc side.

the evidence youve posted doesnt support your conclusion

[The Glove]

Now we have a big 4, up to the mid 90's there was always a big 6.