Disappointing Stevie Lad

[Red_Al_77]

It was a penalty and we scored. That really is the bottom line. Who really cares whether Gerrard made more of it that he should? All footballers are big tarts anyway. It's up to the authorities to decide whether its simulation or a foul. In that case it was a foul.

[Kaip]

Gerrard told the ref he was being held..............the ref was watching.........the defender should have blocked him off without using his arms................soft pen...........we scored............we won..............YAY

[Tee]

What would we all have said if it had NOT been given and we drew 0-0? I would have been angry because it was a pen IMO.

[TheStig]

The rules of he law says it a penalty, so yes it was a penalty. Thats not to suggest it wasnt a soft pen, and it was probably a "home" decision.

However, Kozluk was very aware the ref was watching and still had his arms around Gerrard. Gerrard also knew the ref was watch ing and so turned in a way to make sure he was hauled down. The ref looking straight at the incident after making both players aware he was looking had no choice but to give it.

Like I said, rules of the game. Had Rob Hulse won a pen this way for Sheff Utd I would be more pissed off with our defender than I would the ref. If you keep your arms off other players there is no decision to make.

It is accepted in football that these fouls happen, but its all about not be being so blatant. Kozluk was blatant. Had it not been given the MOTD team would have said: "Ive seen them given" and "If that foul happens outside the box its a free kick" . Arguably the inconsistency of the refs is to blame, but Im sorry Kozluk - To blatant and too damn stupid on your part.

[Red_hot]

Was never a penalty but ah well. It's done and done now and we won!

[einar]

Gerrard could easily have made his run. He bumped on purpose into the defender looking for the penalty. I dont think the ref had a choice but what Gerrard did is not something I want a Liverpool captain to be doing.

[Diego]

funny it is to close your computer for a day or to, and you miss out on all the fun, any way here's my take on it after reviewing it several times...

it was a penalty, and gerrard didn't dive so to speak. gerrard was nor trying to attack the ball, he was tired of the defender with his armes around him, he know how it works, and he ran into the defender and brought him down on the sole purpose of getting a penalty, he didn't dive as there was significant contact, but he could have pushed him out of his way, or ran past him but he decides to run straight into his arms and force the ref to give a peno...

having said that we see fouls like that all the time in the penalty aeria given against the attacking team for little contact, and award a free kick to the defense. and we have no problem with that, but no matter how small the foul is it's still a foul and if it's in the peno aeria it's a penalty, had the foul been made out side the box i doubt anyone would be arguing if it was a foul or not...

[DeeGame]

Gerrard told the ref he was being held..............the ref was watching.........the defender should have blocked him off without using his arms................soft pen...........we scored............we won..............YAY

well said

[dww]

I actually think what Stevie did was the intelligent option. The holding of players in the area has become increasingly ludicrous in the PL. If you can show the ref that it is going on and the defender is too stupid to either a/ move away temporarily or b/ put his hands by his sides. I honestly think that it is a sensible use of the rules to gain an advantage (like taking a quick free kick before the keeper is prepared) rather than similar to a dive, which is blatant cheating.

Holding at corners is a real pet hate of mine. It ranks up there with allowing defenders to "shepard the ball out", which is blatant obstruction. The rules are there to alter the balance in favour of better, more attacking football without reducing the importance of the skills of good defending.

[REDSCOUSER]

Dont let them get to you AJ. Just let the WUM be.

What is it with the aggression on here lately? The site is not as much Fun as it used to be. FFS Liverpool won 4-0 today, We Beat Barca in the week, yet people are still starting threads slagging off the team and players.

I really doubt whether some on here are actually LFC Supporters. I dont mind debating with people supporting other teams, but quite a few have Hidden Agendas. Own up if you dont support LFC

If you crave attention Buy a Dog

[einar]

I actually think what Stevie did was the "dishonest" intelligent option. The holding of players in the area has become increasingly ludicrous in the PL. If you can show the ref that it is going on and the defender is too stupid to either a/ move away temporarily or b/ put his hands by his sides. I honestly think that it is a sensible use of the rules to gain an advantage (like taking a quick free kick before the keeper is prepared) rather than similar to a dive, which is blatant cheating.

Holding at corners is a real pet hate of mine. It ranks up there with allowing defenders to "shepard the ball out", which is blatant obstruction. The rules are there to alter the balance in favour of better, more attacking football without reducing the importance of the skills of good defending.

The defender did not hold him. Gerrard could easily have ran past him. The defender had his hand out not to hold Gerrard but to feel his movement. Gerrard saw an opportunity to trap the defender and took it. Maybe Gerrard did not break any rules but what he did was not football.

[dww]

The defender did not hold him. Gerrard could easily have ran past him. The defender had his hand out not to hold Gerrard but to feel his movement. Gerrard saw an opportunity to trap the defender and took it. Maybe Gerrard did not break any rules but what he did was not football.

He had his arms out, Stevie could have moved around the outstretched arms but the defender is trying to illegally impede him with his arms. Stevie was being held by the defender when he talked to the ref. The defender never really retreated and then when the ball was being delivered Stevie took the natural route to get to the ball. Which due to the defender not moving his arms was to go into his arms. The defender was trying to hold/impede Stevie, rather stupidly. Stevie just ran into him. I don't think it is dihonest to be honest.

I can see the argument that it could be wrong and against the spirit of the game. However I really think it is an offence comparable if not less than that which the defender was guilty of.

[einar]

You can not hold someone in place with an outstretched arm. It is physically impossible.
What I saw was Gerrard deliberately bump his legs into the defenders legs, put his arm over his shoulder and drop like a stone. The defender was breaking the rules by having his hand out but that does not change what Gerrard did.

Also, the defender was doing a poor job of man marking Steve. He was on the wrong side of him and could not see the man and the ball at the same time. That is why he felt he had to have his arm out to track Steves movement.

This is very poor marking and Steve could ( should ) have just run past him and gotten on the inside of him and turned up free to go for goal had the ball gotten to him. Our captain did not seem to have any of that in mind, he simply decided: this sucker has got it all wrong, now lets fool him into giving away a penalty.

And to say it again: that is not what I want the captain of Liverpool FC to do or think.

[Rigadon]

He had his arms out, Stevie could have moved around the outstretched arms but the defender is trying to illegally impede him with his arms.

If it had been Gerrard impeding Kozluk then the defending team would have had a free kick.

[einar]

I just want to say I think the ref had no choice. The defender ****ed up.

But IMO it was still dishonest.