This Summers 'Nightmare' Signing...

[FatTony]

Would be a good signing IMO.

Me too, I read the name of the thread incorrectly!

[LadyRed]

anton ferdinand

He was tipped to be the next big thing for a while wasn't he. Apparently Barca were tracking him at one point.

I think he comes across as a bit dim, but with a good experienced, vocal defender to partner him, I think he's a decent defender.

[dirty_sanchez]

So you mean when someone tells him what to do and where to go? That's a key fault with a player in my book, especially a centre back. For a CB positioning is the key. If they are out of position, the opposition can work an opening more easily and thus the defender is not doing his job properly.

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

Shut up you clowns. How many of you have seen Voronin play? He's really not a bad player. He's certainly better than Fowler is now.

Seconded.

It's pissing me off.

The lad at the very least deserves a chance to show us what he can do - or cannot as the case may be - but he's already been dubbed not good enough before he's arrived. Since when did any of us know better than Rafa? If that was the case we'd have his job wouldn't we?

Crap thread as well. Why was Crouch a mightmare signing at the time? Just a theory but maybe it was the fact that he wasn't some overrated big name who is great on Pro Evolution soccer or a YouTube compilation. Fact is that Crouch has been our best forward in the past two seasons, and his value has gone up should we decide to cash in.

No new signing should be judged a nightmare when he first arrives. It shows an ignorant, impatient glory hunter streak IMO. It's the "We want big names we can fawn and spunk ourselves over like the Sky TV pundits" mentality. Judge a player on his performances for this club, not what he does with his country or previous club.

For example Harry Kewell (to date) must be judged as a failure. Likewise Collymore and even Diouf. But at the time nobody considered them nightmare signings did they?

What a load of bollocks.

[Tee]

Of course we ****in want big names - if you have not realised the big names tend to be the best players - that is where Rafa and Parry want us to be competing - for the big names. Why is there a problem with that?

Are you honestly telling me that having won the CL you were happy with the quality of player we signed - Crouch and Zenden? After we were promised the best? That was a nightmare for me.

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

Of course we ****in want big names - if you have not realised the big names tend to be the best players - that is where Rafa and Parry want us to be competing - for the big names. Why is there a problem with that?

Are you honestly telling me that having won the CL you were happy with the quality of player we signed - Crouch and Zenden? After we were promised the best? That was a nightmare for me.

Didn't we improve our league performance immeasurably the next season and win the FA cup.

Didn't we also sign Reina and Sissoko, who have subseqently become two important players for us.

An example of where the credence of your theory falls flat on it's face; Fernando Morientes? A big name signing at the time, no?

My point is that I want us to sign the right players to make this club successful. What reputation they carry, the price they are bought for, where they come from, these things are all irrelevant.

[lfc4ever]

Me.

[tomasjj]

Well, the Voronin slagging off is ridiculous.

But, sometimes, we have to pay out to get the best. We can't pull off coup after coup in the market, sometimes we have to pay what the best players cost.
It is not black and white.
Se what Fergie does, once a season or so, he pays what I think is stupid money for a player, but he does usually buy the right players of high quality.

[tomasjj]

Didn't we improve our league performance immeasurably the next season and win the FA cup.

Didn't we also sign Reina and Sissoko, who have subseqently become two important players for us.

An example of where the credence of your theory falls flat on it's face; Fernando Morientes? A big name signing at the time, no?

My point is that I want us to sign the right players to make this club successful. What reputation they carry, the price they are bought for, where they come from, these things are all irrelevant.

Well, the Morientes failure can't used to bash and brand every possible big signing as a sure failure. Rep doesn't guarantee success, but the best players cost more for a reason.

What rep and price they carry is by no means irrelevant. It is an indication of ability, but not waterproof. Then there is the adapting to the premiership issue which complicates any signing. and it's possibilities for success.

Of course, me too want us to sign the next Kenny and Rush from the Scottish 2 division for peanuts, but I don't think it is very likely.

[DannyMan2006]

Well, the Morientes failure can't used to bash and brand every possible big signing as a sure failure. Rep doesn't guarantee success, but the best players cost more for a reason.

What rep and price they carry is by no means irrelevant. It is an indication of ability, but not waterproof. Then there is the adapting to the premiership issue which complicates any signing. and it's possibilities for success.

Of course, me too want us to sign the next Kenny and Rush from the Scottish 2 division for peanuts, but I don't think it is very likely.

You talk alot of sense my friend.

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

Well, the Morientes failure can't used to bash and brand every possible big signing as a sure failure. Rep doesn't guarantee success, but the best players cost more for a reason.

What rep and price they carry is by no means irrelevant. It is an indication of ability, but not waterproof. Then there is the adapting to the premiership issue which complicates any signing. and it's possibilities for success.

Of course, me too want us to sign the next Kenny and Rush from the Scottish 2 division for peanuts, but I don't think it is very likely.

Yes.

Common sense tells us that the more ability a player has, the higher the cost, and that more likely said player is to succeed. I am not disputing any of these points.

What's got my back up is this constant pathetic pining for big name players, as if it's going to magically solve our problems, while at the same time completely writing off our latest signing because he's not a big enough name. ****ing grow up.

[tomasjj]

Yes.

Common sense tells us that the more ability a player has, the higher the cost, and that more likely said player is to succeed. I am not disputing any of these points.

What's got my back up is this constant pathetic pining for big name players, as if it's going to magically solve our problems, while at the same time completely writing off our latest signing because he's not a big enough name. ****ing grow up.

Yep. Agree. Imagine the pleasant surprise if one of our bargains turned out to be as good as Torres? Much more pleasant that signing a world class player who comes with a huge rep and massive expectations, and then he is only so-so.
Big signings are signals of intent and ambition, but can backfire hard as well.

[Fiddy]

he's actually a very good player. Watched him the other night against Brum.

Easily the best player on the park...miles better than anyone else.

How has he suddenly become good? He was always highly rated at Tranmere but then his career just seemed to drop off at West Brom...then I hear he's 'best player outside the Prem'. Not sure he'd be so good if he was back in against a much higher standard of defender though

[Fiddy]

Torres - we will pay £25m+ and find out that like Morientes, he can't adapt to the physicality of the premiership.

Haha yeah I was gonna say that. A lot on here would tear their hair out if we signed him...personally I wouldn't mind seeing him get a chance, though there's others like Eto'o I'd prefer. I think Torres would either be a massive hit or a huge flop, no inbetween. We all know the guy's got talent though and he had a good WC, I just question his consistency.

[andyinswinton]

To be honest, if we signed Torres, I'd be made up. At least it shows that we are right in the mix when it comes to signing quality players. Whether or not Torres would be a hit in the EPL is another matter because there are no guarantees. You would have thought Nando or Shevchenko would be massive hits but have not set the league alight. At least by signing a Torres, Villa or Eto'o, it would show that we can compete when it comes to signing a player.

As for the 'nightmare' signing, well its going to be Voronin but there may well be some others that might leave you scratching your head. Gary Mac was a real head scratcher and look at that signing!