Still hurts me to see....

[SB]

Hopefully next yr Giggs and Scholes will show the effect of their age,Ronaldo will not carry them when they are playing terrible and SG and Xabi will return to their usual form after a slow season for both.We`ll challenge them next yr.

For the first season in a long time, Stevie hasn't been anywere near our star man. In seasons past he has at times singlehandedly carried us through so many matches but that hasn't happened this year and that's not a bad thing! I'm expecting better from him next year after a good break to recoup ( with a cup winners medal around his kneck)

[Guest]

Hopefully next yr Giggs and Scholes will show the effect of their age,Ronaldo will not carry them when they are playing terrible and SG and Xabi will return to their usual form after a slow season for both.We`ll challenge them next yr.

We need players with their desire, players who don't drop their heads even if they are 2-0 down. Yes you'll point me towards Istanbul and one or two games (notably that FA Cup game against Luton last year), but these moments have been quasi inexistent in the league since then.

Quality wins you matches, but more often then not, it's the players desire and their winning ability which is entrenched in their make up which makes the difference.

Bar Stevie G and one or two players, we don't have them.

[Johnny]

We need players with their desire, players who don't drop their heads even if they are 2-0 down. Yes you'll point me towards Istanbul and one or two games (notably that FA Cup game against Luton last year), but these moments have been quasi inexistent in the league since then.

Quality wins you matches, but more often then not, it's the players desire and their winning ability which is entrenched in their make up which makes the difference. Agreed,So hopefully Giggs and Scholes will not be able to play in as many matches next season.Their replacements don`t have that desire and winning ability.

Bar Stevie G and one or two players, we don't have them.

[Rashid]

You could say the FA Cup final has more prestige than the league globally too considering it's reach and attention. BUT would you take that over the league title?

You cannot be considered a top team unless you challenge for the league title week in week out, in the past you wouldn't even qualified for the CL.

[Guest]

Giggs and Scholes are model professionals mate so don't bet on them playing great next year. As for Giggs, I think Rafa is looking for someone to challenge him on the left. They'll splash the cash when needed. So, we need to do very very well in the transfer market to overhaul Chelsea and Manure. We need winners, and quick.

[Johnny]

You could say the FA Cup final has more prestige than the league globally too considering it's reach and attention. BUT would you take that over the league title?

You cannot be considered a top team unless you challenge for the league title week in week out, in the past you wouldn't even qualified for the CL.

The PL title MUST be our main priorority next yr,Rafa knows that.

[Rashid]

We need players with their desire, players who don't drop their heads even if they are 2-0 down. Yes you'll point me towards Istanbul and one or two games (notably that FA Cup game against Luton last year), but these moments have been quasi inexistent in the league since then.

Quality wins you matches, but more often then not, it's the players desire and their winning ability which is entrenched in their make up which makes the difference.

Bar Stevie G and one or two players, we don't have them.

We actually need players with the quality and belief to know they can beat teams from 2-0 down. We need Rafa to start sending the team out to win away games.

[Guest]

You could say the FA Cup final has more prestige than the league globally too considering it's reach and attention. BUT would you take that over the league title?

You cannot be considered a top team unless you challenge for the league title week in week out, in the past you wouldn't even qualified for the CL.

You're spot on mate. We need winners for every game we play, just like Chelsea and United have. We only have players who turn up for the big games. We've done that in an FA Cup final and an CL final, but been poor in the league.

[Rashid]

You're spot on mate. We need winners for every game we play, just like Chelsea and United have. We only have players who turn up for the big games. We've done that in an FA Cup final and an CL final, but been poor in the league.

I don't think it is that, I think with average to good players you can't rely on them to turn it on every game, wheras class will always out.

We have probably 7-8 players good enough for a Liverpool first team barring injuries - that's where the problem lies. United have proved that even with a thin squad but 4-5 top players you can win the league. They also proved that attack is the best form of defence, they have a better defensive and attacking record than us.

I love Rafa, but in the league has he been much better than the others since 1990? I think not.

[Guest]

We actually need players with the quality and belief to know they can beat teams from 2-0 down. We need Rafa to start sending the team out to win away games.

Absolutely, and I've been saying that for years. We are too cagey away from home. We need to take the game by the scruff of the neck and attack. Cleans sheets serve nothing in the end. Attacking is the best form of defense, as United proved that. They're the second best defense in the league and look at their scoring record, second to none.

[Guest]

I don't think it is that, I think with average to good players you can't rely on them to turn it on every game, wheras class will always out.

Even average players if they have that winning desire, can bring something to any team. Look at players such as Fletcher, O'Shea or Carrick. They have the right mentality. Chelsea has the same qualities. Drogba wasn't a great player when he came to Chelsea, but he has developped into one of the best centre forwards in the world. I guess it's what José brings to Chelsea.

I love Rafa, but in the league has he been much better than the others since 1990? I think not.

I don't think Rafa brings the same qualities as Jose and Fergie. He's all about tactics, so probably this inhibits some players.

[Rashid]

Even average players if they have that winning desire, can bring something to any team. Look at players such as Fletcher, O'Shea or Carrick. They have the right mentality. Chelsea has the same qualities. Drogba wasn't a great player when he came to Chelsea, but he has developped into one of the best centre forwards in the world. I guess it's what José brings to Chelsea.



I don't think Rafa brings the same qualities as Jose and Fergie. He's all about tactics, so probably this inhibits some players.

I don't think Rafa is tactictally that different from Jose, except Rafas likes wingers and Jose doesn't - they both play a cagey, high tempo, strong arm semi long ball game.

Fergie doesn't.

[Guest]

I don't think Rafa is tactictally that different from Jose, except Rafas likes wingers and Jose doesn't - they both play a cagey, high tempo, strong arm semi long ball game.

Fergie doesn't.

José put an unknown 18 year old player on yesterday. It was his first outing ... and what a match to debut !

José put his second strings yesterday just to have fresher players and if it weren't for that sending off, I think they would have won and his gamble would have been successful.

I don't think Rafa would have done all the above, but that's probably that we don't have the players to do that who knows.

Rafa doesn't take risks, José probably take them a little more. As for Fergie, his style has always been to win games by attacking, not defending.

[Johnny]

José put an unknown 18 year old player on yesterday. It was his first outing ... and what a match to debut !

José put his second strings yesterday just to have fresher players and if it weren't for that sending off, I think they would have won and his gamble would have been successful.

I don't think Rafa would have done all the above, but that's probably that we don't have the players to do that who knows.

Rafa doesn't take risks, José probably take them a little more. As for Fergie, his style has always been to win games by attacking, not defending.Backfired at Milan though

[Guest]

José put an unknown 18 year old player on yesterday. It was his first outing ... and what a match to debut !

José put his second strings yesterday just to have fresher players and if it weren't for that sending off, I think they would have won and his gamble would have been successful.

I don't think Rafa would have done all the above, but that's probably that we don't have the players to do that who knows.

Rafa doesn't take risks, José probably take them a little more. As for Fergie, his style has always been to win games by attacking, not defending.Backfired at Milan though

Yes mate but he's been far more successful in winning league titles by playing like that than what we did since 1997 when we started hiring european coaches. And we're talking about the league here, not the European cup.

The brand of football that wins you League titles, is the one being played by Chelsea and Manure. Chelsea have the quality to play a cagey European game in the league simply because they have very strong players, such as Essien and Drogba, who fit with English league very well. And they're very decisive and efficient at the same time.