Jamie Carragher - above criticism?

[Roboklopp]

Agree, but you make the best of what you are given & the combination of Carra's natural talent alongside his dedication, intelligence & sheer bloody heart make him one of the best in the world at CB.

Whilst we need to be looking at other options long-term (he is 29) and for cover, we have one of the best defensive units in the world. There will already be enough upheaval up top (hopefully) without starting to fix what is by no means broken.

[enema of the state]

I disagree mate I really do.

An italian jorno was on the auld wireless a while back and he was saying Italian players, managers and ex players can't understand why Carra isn't one of the 1st names on the team sheet for England. They rate him just as high as Terry and even more so than Rio. Football is all about opinion but it's like saying you would replace Gerrard with Kaka.

fair enough mate thats your opinion.

i think most people would pick terry ahead of jc - a few england coaches and the professional footballers of our league certainly would

[Pacman]

fair enough mate thats your opinion.

i think most people would pick terry ahead of jc - a few england coaches and the professional footballers of our league certainly would

[Neil Young]

i'd put him on the level below john terry:

when did you last see chavski lose a big game on 2 terry mistakes?

its someone from that echelon we need to replace him

the point is that when it comes to central defence, having the best really tells.

You make it sound like Carra fell over the ball for the first and passed it straight to Inzaghi for the second. IMO it is grossly unfair to blame Carra for the second goal - there was no-one pressing Kaka' and Inzaghi timed his run perfectly. In the build-up to the first, he made a mistake and so did Xabi. We also had bad luck with the free-kick.

[Roboklopp]

carra has heart and talent - hes just limited and some games his errors cost us. there are better players. thats where we need to be shopping

you might conclude that gerards "error" cost us too but i'd argue that thats a much rarer phenomenon AND that there isnt anybody better at what he does

Gerrard makes far more mistakes than Carra- just think of all those Hollywood passes & shots- it is just that he has the rest of the team behind him, including Carra, to clear up.

Carra's mistakes- or those of any defender- are magnified cos he is so close to our goal & therefore their consequences are much more pronounced.

[enema of the state]

we have one of the best defensive units in the world.

thats the rub pal: when the holding midfielder was subbed, we didnt look like one of the best defensive units in the world - we looked flimsy.

now i accept that the holding midfielder IS a key part of the unit but there will be times when you have to chase a game against good sides and commit central midfielders forward. THATS when having a better CB than JC would really tell.

[enema of the state]

Gerrard makes far more mistakes than Carra- just think of all those Hollywood passes & shots- it is just that he has the rest of the team behind him, including Carra, to clear up.

Carra's mistakes- or those of any defender- are magnified cos he is so close to our goal & therefore their consequences are much more pronounced.

thats why getting somebody better at CB would likely have a bigger effect in silverware terms

[tommyg]

it shows rafa got the startout tactics exactly right.

i saw seedorf about twice the whole game

[Roboklopp]

I would counter that by saying that no defense alone could survive against Milan & Ka'ka in particular without that holding midfielder.

[enema of the state]

i saw seedorf about twice the whole game

didnt see kaka much either - but the 2 times id did were the bits were the champions league was lost

[Lecter]

i think most people would pick terry ahead of jc - a few england coaches certainly would

You should be trying to support your argument

[Neil Young]

thats the rub pal: when the holding midfielder was subbed, we didnt look like one of the best defensive units in the world - we looked flimsy.

now i accept that the holding midfielder IS a key part of the unit but there will be times when you have to chase a game against good sides and commit central midfielders forward. THATS when having a better CB than JC would really tell.

Good point about how important it is for us to screen the defence. Everyone criticises Ferdinand but Vidic and he are exposed by their midfield far more often than Agger and Carra are by ours.

We lack pace throughout the defence IMO. Compare our back 4 with Chelsea's and, especially, Man U's and Arsenal's.

[enema of the state]

Good point about how important it is for us to screen the defence. Everyone criticises Ferdinand but Vidic and he are exposed by their midfield far more often than Agger and Carra are by ours.

We lack pace throughout the defence IMO. Compare our back 4 with Chelsea's and, especially, Man U's and Arsenal's.

[Lecter]

thats why getting somebody better at CB would likely have a bigger effect in silverware terms

Its funny because Reina has been at the club for two seasons played just over 100 games and has over 50 odd cleansheets

Of course non of that is down to the Carragher and the other defenders in front of him or is it?

[enema of the state]

You should be trying to support your argument

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