new staduim info

[The Glove]

Back to mini ST's: -

I understand the concerns raised by The Glove and I would certainly want the stadium to be full for every game but I think you've missed the point.

I'm saying anyone that has a full season ticket and wants a full season ticket at the new stadium gets one.

Of the extra seats that we have whatever allocation was going to be for season tickets we use to create the mini ST's so that more people on the waiting list can get to see Liverpool.

I dont understand what extra seats you are talking about. There are currently about 30k season ticket holders with 60k waiting so even in the new ground of 60k the dent in the waiting list would only be about 10k still leaving about 45-50k on the list. So that would leave about 15-20k for none season ticket holders. Adding on your idea of mini season tickets would probably bring down the game by game seats to about 10k. Thats not enough for a single game and therefore would enourage people to buy up mini season tickets to guarantee their ticket for the big game.

Any seats that they planned to be available on a per game basis would remain like that.

The problem of people only going to the big games is a ST ticket problem, not a mini-ST problem. Are you telling me that those people with full ST's go to all the small mid week games? Of course they don't.

I agree this is a problem and maybe we can find solutions for this problem but it's nothing to do with the idea of a mini-ST.

Mate it is. People from all over are willing to pay £500 odd for one game. If they can get a ticket for that game, from which they are travelling from god knows where, for half that price thy will buy them. Are they going to travel to the other games? Is someone from Norway gonna come one week then come back the next week and then come back again in a fortnight? Is he balls. He will come to the game he wants most. Now, he could do what he does now and pay £500 off some agency for his one trip or he can pay £250 from the club by being on the list. Which will he do?

Granted some ST holders now wont bother going to every game but they might miss one possibly 2 games. Youre talking about selling games in at least bundles of 3-4.

Regarding the specific problem you raise I think we need to have a standby policy, if you haven't showed up at the stadium 30 minutes before kick-off you lose your seat and it's resold to whoever is lined up at the ticket office waiting for a standby ticket.

If there are 5,000 empty ST seats 30 minutes before kick off you might decide to sell 2,500 standby seats. Then if any ST holder turns up late they need to go to a special line before entering the stadium and they will be allocated a seat which might not be their normal regular seat.

This would fit into one of the RTK objectives of getting people to go into the stadium earlier.

Anyway, I think the mini ST is a good idea and the problem of owners of all types of ST not turning up to the smaller games is a different issue.

How do you count the seats not taken? What if there is a big line half hour before and someone has been in it for 5 mins and by the time they get to the front its just under half hour befoe kick off? How do you enforce it? Would you like the job of telling someone they cant come in because they are 5 minutes late?

Next up, can you imagine the crowds of people who will be hanging around knowing they can get a ticket half an hour before kick off? The queues would be massive, then you have to get them all in the ground while the people who are late are made to wait? There would be quite a few kick offs mate.

As I have said, the only way Mini season tickets could work would be if Liverpools fanbase was all within a 1 1/2 - 2 hour radius who can get to every game but that simply isnt the case.

[lfc_michael]

As I have said, the only way Mini season tickets could work would be if Liverpools fanbase was all within a 1 1/2 - 2 hour radius who can get to every game but that simply isnt the case.

Damn good point, actually. Most American franchises, because of the vast size of the US and its low population density, will attract their fans from within the 'local' area. That model isn't really applicable to Liverpool. I wouldn't object to it being used within the corporate sections, but I don't want to see it in the 'cheap seats'.

[topscorer]

So your objection is that a bunch of foreigners would buy the mini season tickets so they can just use one of the tickets and not turn up for the other games.

Fair enough, we need a system that allows them to pay the 200 or 300 quid to see the games they want whilst still allowing whoever to go to the other games instead of the seat being empty. Maybe donate the tickets you cannot use to local schools so kids can get to some games?

I'm saying that if you issue 30,000 mini ST's instead of 10,000 full ST's that would significantly reduce the waiting list.

My original idea was that they should be half a ST or 10 games, someone else reduced it down to the level of just 5 games with 1 big game.

All games are classed as Category A or other so you could mix the games up but the mini ST holder might not know what game they have each season until after the schedule is made.

It would be harder to do what your saying if it was 10 games but yes it would still happen. The solution isn't to say foreigners that are willing to spend money cannot buy mini ST's or any tickets because they only want to go to the big games.

I would probably struggle to justify spending a few thousand pound to travel from the USA to watch Derby, but if I had 3 to 5 tickets for games that took place within a 2 week period and one was a big game but the others were Derby, Birmingham and Sunderland then I'd go to all those games as well if I've travelled all the way from the US.

You need to have different packages aimed at different people, including some packages that are aimed at and only sold to those that live locally. And before you ask I'm from Liverpool and most of my family still live in Liverpool but I'm living State side of the pond.

Yes it's complicated to make a system with all these different packages but it's not rocket science stuff. Which brings us to the other problem with ticketing - we have a bunch of buffoons running the ticket office and they couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery never mind an imaginative and fair ticketing solution that will allow more reds to legally buy tickets to see games without having millions of pounds of our money pocketed by touts instead of the Club.

And that last statement is based on what I read on forums not personal experience so if it's just a bunch of whiners on the internet moaning about the Ticket Office then I offer an unreserved apology to the Ticket Office staff. I don't expect to see many people jumping to the defense of the Ticket Office though!!

[The Glove]

Wether its a bunch of foreigners or people from England, that is what would happen.

You wont know what games they want to see until they turn up or not so it'd be a bit late to give the tickets to schools.

Would it reduce the waiting list? People on the ST waiting list want to see every game. Once they have watched the mini ST games they are just going to go back on the list arent they? The list isnt going to go away no matter how its dressed up. Its not as iff everyone on the ST list now doesnt see any Liverpool games as it is.

All in all I dont think you need different packages to suit different people. You arent going to get a better package than being able to get a ticket for individual games which allows people to go when it is convienent to them, not being pushed into going becaus ehtye have a ticket for a game they dot want.

Also, it shouldnt come down to people being able to cherry pick the games they want to go to. All the big games should be sold on a loyaltiy basis anyway, kinda like now.

The system now isnt actually that bad, just its not run great.

Touts are always going to be there but their targets are mainly non-regular match goers as they are more easily fooled sadly and whatever system is brought in, they'll still make their money. There are ways to make it harder but they'll just get better at what they do. All that can be done is to try and make people aware of the scams.

[DeeGame]

posted by honourablegeorge on ynwa

Chap I spoke to who also claimed to have seen then said that "like it or not, your first reaction will be "What the f*ck?". Totally asymmetrical. He wasn't a fan. Sounds a bit like what NYR is saying, although NYR's more postitive about it.

Well, he's sorta positive.

At least it's not going to be the IKEAbowl that nobody wanted.

[tomasjj]

Ok, the outside of it is of some importance, but it is how it looks when you are inside that really counts.

[JCase]

Go to Greaty.

Anyway, since we are building on the Park I can now show the world the new design. Its been leaked to me by the parkie.

So the bitters have got their new ground up and ready?

[rushscored4]

Bagsy 'avin the window round

There's another video on the HKS website:

Indianapolis Colts Lucas Oil Stadium

[sonsofthedesert]

Love it if it had a retractable roof.

[Morph]

Love it if it had a retractable roof.

in a keegan kind of way?

[Guest]

in a keegan kind of way?

[sonsofthedesert]

in a keegan kind of way?

Well spotted.

[zimbo]

Taken from YNWA:

"Heres Dave Ushers opinion on it :

It looks nothing like that whatsoever (Lucas Oil Stadium). Brod's post about it looking like nothing he's seen before is spot on. It wasn't what I expected at all. I think I like it, especially the checkered seating on the Kop.

No-one will be able to accuse the Americans of giving us a bland bowl like the Reebok or Riverside though, that's for damn sure. The Kop is definitely the focal point of it all, it looks huge and if the design is done right so that the noise stays in then it will be pretty intimidating on European nights.

And before anyone asks, no I can't say how I've seen it and no I can't post any pictures!"

[topscorer]

Wether its a bunch of foreigners or people from England, that is what would happen.

You wont know what games they want to see until they turn up or not so it'd be a bit late to give the tickets to schools.

Would it reduce the waiting list? People on the ST waiting list want to see every game. Once they have watched the mini ST games they are just going to go back on the list arent they? The list isnt going to go away no matter how its dressed up. Its not as iff everyone on the ST list now doesnt see any Liverpool games as it is.

All in all I dont think you need different packages to suit different people. You arent going to get a better package than being able to get a ticket for individual games which allows people to go when it is convienent to them, not being pushed into going becaus ehtye have a ticket for a game they dot want.

Also, it shouldnt come down to people being able to cherry pick the games they want to go to. All the big games should be sold on a loyaltiy basis anyway, kinda like now.

The system now isnt actually that bad, just its not run great.

Touts are always going to be there but their targets are mainly non-regular match goers as they are more easily fooled sadly and whatever system is brought in, they'll still make their money. There are ways to make it harder but they'll just get better at what they do. All that can be done is to try and make people aware of the scams.

I wouldn't argue with the idea of having more seats available on a per game basis, the problem is that would mean less season tickets. Also how would you decide who can buy the single tickets and stop touts from buying them for resale.

From a business point of view maybe it's not the best idea because you'd need to discount the less popular games to be able to sell out otherwise you would still end up with empty seats which is your whole argument against mini ST's.

My idea with the min ST is that if you have a mini ST you cannot then go on the waiting list for a second ticket, you can have first option to upgrade, or even downgrade to a different ST if it becomes available but you can only have 1 in any season.

About giving to schools, I was inferring that people would do the honourable thing and say in advance if they are not going to go to a game and allow the club to give their seat to a local school. But probably I'm living in fantasy land thinking that Liverpool fans would do that rather than leave the seat empty.

In the end I think their is a place for mini ST's and that the problem you link to them is just as valid when selling single tickets or whole season tickets.

No system will be perfect but I think the club has a responsibility to try and come up with the best system that gives a fair balance of the needs of the club and the varied fan base that we are privileged to be part of.

I think we will have to agree to disagree but I think it's an interesting and important topic to discuss and I have enjoyed hearing your views on the subject.

Thanks for discussing the subject with me

[Dero]

When the plans are made public are we going to get all these videos on their site like these other stadia?