Djibril Cisse....

[Alpha]

Agree with everything you say other than the bit is bold.Drogba was anything
but useless. He was fundamental to the way Chelsea played.He was not elegant enough for a 24 million pound striker but he was damn effective.he harassed defenders,brought the Chelsea midfield into play, linked up play very well.He may be a diver but noone could question his work ethic.For all the taunts about Drogba being useless, he was the first name on Mourinho's teamsheet. And if Mourinho had it his way he would have not bought Sheva.This season he has stepped up to an even higher level and added goals(some of them brilliant) to his overall play and thus everybody has started noticing him.

Okay, so perhaps Drogba wasn't equally as useless at Djib but a striker who doesn't score many goals and gets ridiculed by his own fans can't be that great either. Or so we all thought.

[Alpha]

No, this is what you said "He would score more than kuyt, crouch, bellamy, torres, villa or tevez would if played as our main striker next season.

so the question is...what is rafa's problem?"

That my fury little friend is a load of old bollocks. Why would we even contemplate using Cisse as our main striker when he is dog ****? He has plenty of oportunitys to show his class but has NEVER delivered. Cant shoot, constantly offside, a moaning toss bag oh, and did i say ****?
15-20 goals a season i dont think so mate. He cant get that many in the ****test league in the world (France) so what makes you think he can even get HALF that in the toughest league in the world?

Suppose you think we should try and re-sign Baros and Meijer as well.

The remarkable thing about Cisse is that despite being a limited footballer, he does find himself on the end of an awful lot of chances.

Granted he misses most of them but not always and they do add up.

I don't think 15-20 goals is necessarily unrealistic for a fit Djib, playing regularly, in his favoured postition, for a decent premiership team (hopefully not us).

He'd probably miss twice as many sitters along the way though.

[dww]

Okay, so perhaps Drogba wasn't equally as useless at Djib but a striker who doesn't score many goals and gets ridiculed by his own fans can't be that great either. Or so we all thought.

Drogba has always had a 1 in 2 scoring rate at Chelsea at least over a season. Last year 1 in 1.6.

[Alpha]

Drogba has always had a 1 in 2 scoring rate at Chelsea at least over a season. Last year 1 in 1.6.

2004-05: 1 in 2.56
2005-06: 1 in 2.75
2006-07: 1 in 1.8.

Still better than I thought though.

[dww]

2004-05: 1 in 2.56
2005-06: 1 in 2.75
2006-07: 1 in 1.8.

Still better than I thought though.

Thats league only, or sub appearances didn't count in the tables I saw - either that or the site I checked was wrong.

Not that it makes a big difference to the point. He was always a good/effective player.

[Alpha]

Thats league only, or sub appearances didn't count in the tables I saw - either that or the site I checked was wrong.

Not that it makes a big difference to the point. He was always a good/effective player.

I shall reluctantly concede.

[dww]

I shall reluctantly concede.

Makes you a bigger man than most

[peekay]

Okay, so perhaps Drogba wasn't equally as useless at Djib but a striker who doesn't score many goals and gets ridiculed by his own fans can't be that great either. Or so we all thought.

Mate,Maybe thats the reason most of us are racking up our internet forum post counts on a friday afternoon while Jose Mourinho is the one of the best managers in the world.
I think the problem for Drogba was his price tag.In a non Abramovitch world I think he would have gone for around 14-15 and people would not have been so harsh on him.You normally expect a 24 million striker to be more elegant.Add to it his totally unlikeable persona- the diving, whining.

Agree with your statement about Cisse seeming to get a decent amount of chances. I think his directness and pace frightens a lot of lower standard premiership defenders. One of the reasons Rafa hated him is his lack of awareness of other players. But his directness might have been a big asset against low quality defenders where you actually dont need to be technically proficient to score.

[Dero]

**** off:whatever:

I raised a question, some dismissed it, others could see my point. Too much time on my hands, probably, but just because i may dare to be critical of rafa and his transfer policy it doesn't make me a manc. I know cisse is **** as much as the next man, but the way he plays, IF he was played as a main striker he would probably score between 15-20, in spite of his other faults.

And if any of the others you talked about were played as the main striker they would score at least that amount.

[Morse]

Really, would he? Maybe it´s just a case of him ot fitting into Rafa´s plans. Ged could have used him as we used to sit really deep and bomb the ball over the opponents defence for Owen.

Under Rafa, Cisse really has no function, cant cross so cant play on the wing, can hardly pass or manouver past a player so he cant play against a jammed defence that sits back, what´s left? The Houllier way. Oh, and as dww says, his runs were poorly timed and his finishing lack finesse so he can hardly be used for that role either if the defenders and goalie know what to do.

[Joe Le Toff]

He's an abysmal player and one of the least intelligent footballers ive ever seen.

[Warren]

He's an abysmal player and one of the least intelligent footballers ive ever seen.

Harsh

[Yozza]

Harsh

No it's not - it's true in my opinion too...

[Charlie_B]

Just get rid please

[paulcooper4]

He's an abysmal player and one of the least intelligent footballers ive ever seen.

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