So, Torres has signed...

[Milan_Milan]

No he won't. He probably won't even start all of the first 8 games, let alone be a complete failure and then get benched for Crouch, not getting another start until March

Thats true, I certainly doubt very much that he'll start the first 8!

[red g]

HAHA. Alrite, what has Torres done to warrant a place over Sheva? Sheva has scored buckets in the champions league, an immense ammount of goals for kiev and milan, and remains a world class player. Torres, erm, if i'm not mistaken, has not shown any sign of reaching such levels.

sheva has flopped in the premiership BIG time, Torres has scored on the international scene has always scored for his club.....and hasnt been given his chance. he has the potential so he would be given the chance over a flop

[red g]

He is however a season ahead in the adaptation process, he's had more success than Torres so far in the premier league. Just playing devils advocate.

and he has never scored in the champs leage either :whatever:

he has failed to adapt, IF torres adapts he could be awesome hence why would u keep a guaranteed flop, instead of a possible flop?????

[Reds08]

right so he will give crouch 26 games tos core but dump torres after 8? thats right rafa is mr kneejerk!!

Well when we are 10 points behind the mancs and chelsea after 8 games he is going to have to. Torres initially wont like it here, getting used to not plying for atletico will be hard enough, add in a new climate, genuine pressure to perform and the price tag, he is not going to find it easy.

[red g]

Well when we are 10 points behind the mancs and chelsea after 8 games he is going to have to. Torres initially wont like it here, getting used to not plying for atletico will be hard enough, add in a new climate, genuine pressure to perform and the price tag, he is not going to find it easy.

is that FACT?

[Red_Polo]

He is however a season ahead in the adaptation process, he's had more success than Torres so far in the premier league. Just playing devils advocate.

For that to make any difference you've got to assume Torres will adapt at the same abysmal rate though. It's not that I'm saying Sheva's definitely not going to come good for Chelsea, nor that Torres is a better player. I just think it's stupid to argue with such certainty one way or another between the two of them. Sheva may or may not come good having seriously struggled to adapt, and Torres is an unknown quantity in this league.

[Reds08]

is that FACT?

well if we all have to just present facts the forum would be a very dull place wouldnt it dickhead. We dont all have to specify in massive bold type IMHO, like that prick AFII, then explain what that means. Or do we? Ok then.

[Red_Polo]

well if we all have to just present facts the forum would be a very dull place wouldnt it dickhead. We dont all have to specify in massive bold type IMHO, like that prick AFII, then explain what that means. Or do we? Ok then.

Cut out the insults or you can find somewhere else to post.

[red g]

well if we all have to just present facts the forum would be a very dull place wouldnt it dickhead. We dont all have to specify in massive bold type IMHO, like that prick AFII, then explain what that means. Or do we? Ok then.

jeez, calm down....i was having a laugh!!

[Maestro]

[carrsim]

sheva is an interesting one. he has looked out of his depth in england but has on occasion shown his quality.

the team not being built around him, the manager not particularly wanting him, struggling with injuries, the wrong side of 30 to come to england (morientes anyone?) AND the fact that whichever way you look at it, chelsea is a step down from milan (no matter how much money you get) are all factors in this.

on the other hand, FT is young, fit, ambitious, stepping up in terms of club and teammates and about to become the premierships top scorer in the hungriest team in the league

[Reds08]

Cut out the insults or you can find somewhere else to post.

yes squire

[Milan_Milan]

and he has never scored in the champs leage either :whatever:

he has failed to adapt, IF torres adapts he could be awesome hence why would u keep a guaranteed flop, instead of a possible flop?????

Theres nothing to say Shevchenko won't adapt this season. The number of players that have taken a season to get used to the PL is substantial. But as mentioned by Red_Polo, it would be difficult if not impossible to choose between them at this stage due to this sort of issue, therefore we can't say that he would get into chelseas team ahead of shevchenko, which was the original point.

[Red_Polo]

Theres nothing to say Shevchenko won't adapt this season. The number of players that have taken a season to get used to the PL is substantial. But as mentioned elsewhere, it would be difficult if not impossible to choose between them at this stage due to this sort of issue, therefore we can't say that he would get into chelseas team ahead of shevchenko.

Yep. Likewise, we can't cite Sheva as a player he wouldn't get into their team ahead of.

[Jazzmaster]

This thread is pointless. Nobody can possibly answer those questions until the season starts. If we start well we'll be happy, if we dont and the new signings dont gel, we'll be unhappy and our faith in rafa may (note i said may) be tested. Until then its moot. What we can be happy about is that we appear to have competed well in the transfer market this summer and we live in hope that it translates to improving our league form.