Who should start up front?

[justcruisin]

Milan are **** too I take it. Spurs are also a very good side. Also worth noting that despite their lack of centrebacks Chelsea still let in 2 goals against only 2 teams last season I think - so scoring against them was not as simple as you might think.

heres kuyt's champions league stats

matches played -11
total min played- 929 min
goals scored- ****ing ONE

apart from that goal....cant think of anything.....wait a min..oh yeah i forgot ...his workrate again...WOW werent we all pleased with that.FFS just admit it kuyt lacks skill,pace,composure ,finesse to hit it big at the highest level. it was a matter of a big fish in a small pond at feyenoord..nothing more.

[stevie_gerrard_8]

I still think we are lacking the predatory selfish ****** striker that Owen was (in his prime - a long time ago) or God. Torres, Voronin, Crouch and Kuyt. none of theem are going to bang in 20 or anywhere near it.

Its still a massive improvement and I hate to sound negative. I think that its a decent couple of player, an improvement on the likes of Heskey and Cisse, and good to have a bit of depth and a few options up front, but still dont have a **** your pants striker. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong and soon!

That's Torres mate

[dww]

heres kuyt's champions league stats

matches played -11
total min played- 929 min
goals scored- ****ing ONE

apart from that goal....cant think of anything.....wait a min..oh yeah i forgot ...his workrate again...WOW werent we all pleased with that.FFS just admit it kuyt lacks skill,pace,composure ,finesse to hit it big at the highest level. it was a matter of a big fish in a small pond at feyenoord..nothing more.

Why should I admit something I believe to be untrue because you are willing to say it lots of times? Kuyts awareness and layoffs led to a great number of chances for those around him. I don't see any reason not to give Kuyt at the very least the benefit of the doubt for another season.

[paulcooper4]

heres kuyt's champions league stats

matches played -11
total min played- 929 min
goals scored- ****ing ONE

apart from that goal....cant think of anything.....wait a min..oh yeah i forgot ...his workrate again...WOW werent we all pleased with that.FFS just admit it kuyt lacks skill,pace,composure ,finesse to hit it big at the highest level. it was a matter of a big fish in a small pond at feyenoord..nothing more.

Give the lad a chance. You will see him playing right up top now we have torres to play the deeper role. Kuyt was doing this last season and his game just doesnt suit it. IF he isnt doing the business after a full 2nd season playing up top THEN slate him if you like. And btw, yes, i WAS pleased with dirks workrate, he runs through brick walls for us, then comes out fighting on the other side, the Liverpool way.

[paulcooper4]

Why should I admit something I believe to be untrue because you are willing to say it lots of times? Kuyts awareness and layoffs led to a great number of chances for those around him. I don't see any reason not to give Kuyt at the very least the benefit of the doubt for another season.

[justcruisin]

Why should I admit something I believe to be untrue because you are willing to say it lots of times? Kuyts awareness and layoffs led to a great number of chances for those around him. I don't see any reason not to give Kuyt at the very least the benefit of the doubt for another season.

nothing much to say then if ones faith is as blind as yours

[dww]

nothing much to say then if ones faith is as blind as yours

It's hardly blind. I'm not trying to pretend that Kuyt is RvN, I have just seen a lot of good things in his play and the fact is he scored a decent number of goals last season. I think he will benefit from having a pacy and intelligent player along side him.

I accept that there are some question marks but I think your blanket dismissal is wrong.

[paulcooper4]

nothing much to say then if ones faith is as blind as yours

You are getting on my tit now. **** off.

[justcruisin]

You are getting on my tit now. **** off.

like i give a damn

[Mattshark]

hey listen dude..they are many strikers in the league who are way much better ..i'm talking about the so called average strikers...for instance saha,bent,keane,defo,yakubu,martins...i could go on with more. the only reason kuyt is still around is bcos of his price tag. 10 million for only one season..that doesnt make any sense and would look really bad on rafa.bottom line he is never gonna be the striker we all want him to be no matter how many seasons it takes. at one look you wouldnt know whether a striker has the potential to be a great one...just dont see that in kuyt

Or it could be he was our highest league scorer last season.

[kopash]

We need to Kuyt to spoend more time in the box and to be more selfish. He will easily then get 15-20 LEAGUE goals

[Mattshark]

We need to Kuyt to spoend more time in the box and to be more selfish. He will easily then get 15-20 LEAGUE goals

Agreed, he would have had plenty of more goals if he didn't have to drop deep as often as he has had too. Then again he'd get better chances if we had more people in the box too.

[Hooz]

Kuyt might have scored more goals last season if our side had been more creative, and if he hadn't been deployed so deep, especially against the stronger sides.

But I don't think he'll ever score a great amount of goals because he misses alot of chances. He's not a natural goal-scorer.

[kop-al-74]

He did miss alot of a lot of chaces himself tbh.Just like Heskey.

I really hope he becomes this player your all thinking he can be ,but i personally can't see it.

The portsmouth game the other day was a typical Kuyt performance.

[carrsim]

to compare dirk to heskey is absolute bollocks imo

and here's why

emile was faster, stronger and when on song unplayable (happened for 6 months of one season)

the problem with him- and why dirk is a better player- is that if something went wrong- ie a bad first touch, a kick from an opposition player to unsettle him- that was it for the rest of the game.

back to the centre circle and good luck getting him anywhere near either penalty area. houllier praised his workrate too, but for heskey went into hiding.

no dirk is not as strong- but he's no lightweight. he's not as quick- but he's no slouch. he is just about a better finisher. but the one thing he's never done for us is stop running, closing down, hassling his marker, making runs. he'll drop deep, he'll run a channel to LOOK for the ball to help the team. after that golden 6 month spell you'd never see heskey do that..

dirk may have missed a share- probably more than he should of- along the way. but i'd imagine that the things he does has benefited someone else (possible bellamy who couldn't take advantage. often crouch- who did when he was started)

this for me is why rafa likes him- if he can convert 10-20% more of his chances he'll be up around the 18-20 goals a season mark.

now having said all that, earlier in this thread i named anyone with crouch. i still think that is the case. but dirk is good member of the squad and worth persevering with, end of story