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[reddragon]

Relevant would be singing about todays players.

So how have you decided that I don't go matches and don't sing, that's an assumption on your part. I have a season ticket and sing whenever possible.
So your argument was just insults. I peronally hated against the chavs the way most of the time we sung about them instead of us, we are Liverpool that should not happen. We should have songs for every player but we don't.

i think you two should kiss and make up - you're both right in a way. Singing is a way of getting behind the players who are on the pitch representing LFC and us, but the old songs are great and there's no need to stop singing them even at the match.

[sonsofthedesert]

i think you two should kiss and make up - you're both right in a way. Singing is a way of getting behind the players who are on the pitch representing LFC and us, but the old songs are great and there's no need to stop singing them even at the match.

I am not saying stop singing them totally there are a couple that I love singing but the one mentioned by another poster was not one.

[reddragon]

I am not saying stop singing them totally there are a couple that I love singing but the one mentioned by another poster was not one.

however it's not really you who has the final decision on which old songs get sung. I can't stand singing 'we're going to win the league, and are you going to believe us' but I'm hoping it'll happen one day fairly soon!

[sonsofthedesert]

however it's not really you who has the final decision on which old songs get sung. I can't stand singing 'we're going to win the league, and are you going to believe us' but I'm hoping it'll happen one day fairly soon!

I am not saying it is my decision just I would prefer us to come up with some good songs about our present players and sing them instead.

[reddragon]

I am not saying it is my decision just I would prefer us to come up with some good songs about our present players and sing them instead.

agreed. Not always easy though is it - we've been trying all summer to think of one for Torres and what do we get - a rehash of the old 'Dalglish/Fowler/etc.' The 1892 block is a likely starting point for any new songs IMO

[sonsofthedesert]

agreed. Not always easy though is it - we've been trying all summer to think of one for Torres and what do we get - a rehash of the old 'Dalglish/Fowler/etc.' The 1892 block is a likely starting point for any new songs IMO

Will be and hopefully they can really get going.

[anfieldanfield]

Sitting does not stop the atmosphere, think you are lost in this. I believe that singing irrelevent songs or ones that are no longer known is part of the problem. We should have a proper song for every player and try to sing them.

If everyone sat down on the Kop for European games, do you think there would still be such a great atmosphere ?

[sonsofthedesert]

Read further on mate, my point is people just not singing at all which the sitting or standing debate does not effect.

[anfieldanfield]

Exactly.

the Kop used to be standing. Now its not. There isnt any debate surrounding it.I watched people get thrown out and have no sympathy for them. What gives them the right to break the rules? Because its the Kop? Yeah ok, the rest of football have to sit but the Kop can stand. Bollocks. If the law changes, then stand. If it doesnt then you sit. Its not hard to understand. Carry on standing and the Kop gets closed.

The rest of football doesn't sit down though. People stand every week in grounds up and down the country.

[anfieldanfield]

agreed. Not always easy though is it - we've been trying all summer to think of one for Torres and what do we get - a rehash of the old 'Dalglish/Fowler/etc.' The 1892 block is a likely starting point for any new songs IMO

What's wrong with that chant ? It's class. And it's the trademark for top class Liverpool strikers. St John, King Kenny, Fowler.....

Torres is lucky to have it so early.

[calvoboy]

god yeah nothing like a bit of singing to ruin an atmosphere :bird:
as for wanting to see them kicked out well that says everything about you really doesnt it

on another note what was different yesterday to chelsea and toulouse
where it was accepted the back of the kop were going to stand.has someone said something?

:whatever:

No.1 If you actually read a word of what I wrote then you would have seen that I never said singing ruins the atmosphere - quite the opposite in fact. The point I was making was that by singing old songs that about 5% of us know the words to, they were actually killing the atmosphere at times. And personally I don't like anyone singing hooligan songs.

No.2 The ones I want slung out are the ****s who were picking fights with the stewards and causing trouble, not people who sing and stand up occasionally. I've got no problem with saying I want people picking fights in the kop slung out, and I think that footy would be a better place without people who behave like that. If that "says it all about me" then your defence of them probably says it all about you too.

No 3 I usually sing from start to finish, and have stood all the way through plenty of games, so I'm not getting arsey about either of those things in general. The Chelsea semi-final is the best atmosphere I have ever experienced at a ground, and I'll admit that I stood and sang all the way through. The difference yesterday is that is was only one block insisting on standing all the way through the game, when it wasn't particularly necessary, insisting on singing songs that most people don't know and don't want to sing, and then getting arsey when people asked them to behave.

Most of all though, as a lifelong fan and a ten year plus season ticket holder, I don't see what gives that block the right to dictate to the rest of the Kop what being a kopite is all about, particularly when much of their behaviour is distasteful.

[reddragon]

Most of all though, as a lifelong fan and a ten year plus season ticket holder, I don't see what gives that block the right to dictate to the rest of the Kop what being a kopite is all about, particularly when much of their behaviour is distasteful.

the famous 201 will give them a run for their money calvo

[anfieldanfield]

Agreed.

My lads (11 and 8) sit through the whole game, singing, shouting and applauding.

The only time they stand is when singing YNWA, or when they have to in order to be able to see the game (corners, shots or when the gob****e in front won't sit down).

At the Manure game, when JAR scored 'that' goal, my lad got his leg trapped in the seat because he had to stand on it to see for most of the game and slipped.

Don't get me wrong, I quite like standing and would do if given the opportunity, but in the end of the day, it's all seater and persistent standing causes issues when the stadiums are specifically designed for seating.

Yes - I'd love a proper standing area like I've seen in some German stadia, but as it stands (lol), we shouldn't stand throughout the whole game.

IMO

That's a fair post Nobby....

Interesting that you say if safe standing areas were available you would want to stand. I suppose people now just want the CHOICE to stand or sit and the fact that they're denied that irritates them.

[The Glove]

on another note what was different yesterday to chelsea and toulouse
where it was accepted the back of the kop were going to stand.has someone said something?

It isnt accepted ever. You still get the same tannoy announcements during those games asking peole to sit down.

The Premier League will be the ones saying something. When people stand, clubs get fined. It also breaks the safety certificate and that can lead to the place being closed.

So keep standing at the game, do it every match, ignore what you get told but when the stand gets closed, dont moan about it because it'll be the 'Im going to stand because its better so **** off' gang that ruined it for everyone else.

Standing gets visiting teams a lesser allocation. Also the home club gets fined for it.

[anfieldanfield]

It isnt accepted ever. You still get the same tannoy announcements during those games asking peole to sit down.

The Premier League will be the ones saying something. When people stand, clubs get fined. It also breaks the safety certificate and that can lead to the place being closed.

So keep standing at the game, do it every match, ignore what you get told but when the stand gets closed, dont moan about it because it'll be the 'Im going to stand because its better so **** off' gang that ruined it for everyone else.

Standing gets visiting teams a lesser allocation. Also the home club gets fined for it.

You dont genuinely believe that the Premier League would ever 'close down' the Kop or the Stretford End do you Glove ? Fines and reduced away allocations maybe, but close down the Kop ? Nah, they dont have the balls.