english players at LFC

[sean_lfc]

tbh though,its not liverpools job to be a nursing club for england.

Exactly.

[The Glove]

i think im right in saying that liverpudlians go by the belief of liverpool first,england second.

so if the youngsters are not coming from liverpool,i doubt they give a damn really about where they are coming from.

if the scouse kids are good enough they will make it.

tbh though,its not liverpools job to be a nursing club for england.

[Lee]

There are too many foreigners in the Premier League. FACT.

However - there are those who believe that this isn't the case and they help improve the quality of our game. Which of course is bollox.

There's too many **** foreign players in the Premier League


I'm all for adding the best players to the League - Torres, Ronaldo, Fabregas etc etc, it's just when you see the likes of Pompey, Blackburn & Bolton buying second rate foreign **** that annoys me.

[Darth Marty]

People of the ilk of Eric Djemba Djemba and Salif Diao have done **** all for the premiership mate - and there are shed loads more like them. Bergkamp, Zola, Schmeichel, Henry and players of THEIR ilk will undboubtedly help improve our game but they are way way in the minority.
Instead of blaming the finances for this influx of foreign players, the EPL and FA should have done something about it but they didn't and now we're paying the price with hundreds of millions of pounds going out of our game - never to be seen again.

Im not against the principal of what you are saying mate, Id much rather all the great players be british, the thing is at this time football is more of a business than ever before and teams like say Villa have 5 mill to spend in a summer (historically) and what would you expect them to do...blow their entire budget on a "maybe good" english player? Or overhaul their entire squad on foreigners?
Its a fact of life that british players have massively inflated prices...try buying Micah Richards for example, I agree that something needs to be done but once again with the ****wits we currently have in charge of football can you expect this to happen?
No.

[Shaggy]

Look at Spurs. Seemingly on a self-congratulatory mission to buy every half decent (overpriced) English youngster around - and they're still ****.

[The Glove]

English players cost a fortune. The same standard player from abroad costs half the price so no wonder the league is full of them.

[Shaggy]

English players cost a fortune. The same standard player from abroad costs half the price so no wonder the league is full of them.

Alvaro Arbeloa - £2.5m

Danny Higginbotham - £3m

[Darth Marty]

Alvaro Arbeloa - £2.5m

Danny Higginbotham - £3m

Thats a good comparison indeed, its just not financially viable to buy british is it.

[Johnny]

obviously we were brilliant and all that against derby but am i the only who noticed there was only 1 english player in the starting line up? anyone else find this worrying?

You pick the week that SG and Carra are injured and Crouch was on the bench to produce this thread.

[Venton]

People of the ilk of Eric Djemba Djemba and Salif Diao have done **** all for the premiership mate - and there are shed loads more like them. Bergkamp, Zola, Schmeichel, Henry and players of THEIR ilk will undboubtedly help improve our game but they are way way in the minority.
Instead of blaming the finances for this influx of foreign players, the EPL and FA should have done something about it but they didn't and now we're paying the price with hundreds of millions of pounds going out of our game - never to be seen again.

The difference is that they cost a few million less than their even more **** british equivalents. All british players are overpriced - look how much Bent went for. The real money that goes out of our game doesn't go abroad, it goes on players wages. And the last time I looked the decent British players have all set up offshore companies so they pay less tax than a British working family. Sorry mate, that is bollocks.

[Diego]

obviously we were brilliant and all that against derby but am i the only who noticed there was only 1 english player in the starting line up? anyone else find this worrying? i seem to remember arsenal getting quite a lot of stick for it back in the days and they had no englishmen on the bench let alone the first eleven.

the academy not bringing through a carra or stevie anymore? we obviously all know the transfer market is really inflated for english players but seriously, i see our kids have won the fa youth cup twice in a row and a lot of them are now ineligible to play in that competition so will they get a chance in the first team? with a lot of foreigners bought as squad players it will be really tough for the local lads to even get a chance in the carling cup

discuss

if Kieran Richardson costs 5.5 million whilst the likes of Arbeloa was signed for around 2.5 million, i have no problem with it what so ever, second rate english players are over rated and over priced...

[flava]

If there aren't good enough English players then we're obviously gonna have to look elsewhere. I'd rather have the likes of Mascherano then Hargreaves and Torres over Bent etc.

[kurtangle01]

I just started a thread on this in the footy forum but seeing as there's a thread going in here I thought I'd post my comments here.

I'm just watching SSN and they're having a debate about the lack of emerging English players in the league. Pearce, Brooking and Barry Fry of all people criticising clubs like ourselves for not having enough English youngsters in the side.

My opinion is that you can't simply play a player because he's young and English we have to play players who will keep us competetive at a high level. Hobbs or Agger? Martin or Reina? Torres or Linfield? etc... etc...

If they're not good enough at this time then they're not good enough, that's not to say they wont be in 2-3 years time though.

Stuart Pearce was moaning that there's no point in him going to watch us or the chavs or the filth for young English players because there aren't any. That's short sighted in my view because if he was doing his job properly he would go and watch some of the top premiership clubs reserve side to see who is playing and if they're good enough. Just because they're not playing 1st team footy doesn't mean that they're not there, does it?

So, where do you stand on this debate?

Also, why should we care about the national team? What have they done for us this week about Gerrard? He's injured and unavailable for us yet McLaren is going to pick him to play. What about the barcodes when England took Owen away last summer and returned him injured and tried their hardest not to compensate Newcastle

IMHO International footy is dead in the water. It was designed so that the best players in the world would play against one another in competetive matches. That happens now anyway in the CL so is International footy still needed?

[kurtangle01]

English players cost a fortune. The same standard player from abroad costs half the price so no wonder the league is full of them.

That's a very good point. Xabi £10m or Carrick £18m, Momo £6m or Hargreaves £17m? hmmmm I wonder...

[dww]

People of the ilk of Eric Djemba Djemba and Salif Diao have done **** all for the premiership mate - and there are shed loads more like them. Bergkamp, Zola, Schmeichel, Henry and players of THEIR ilk will undboubtedly help improve our game but they are way way in the minority.
Instead of blaming the finances for this influx of foreign players, the EPL and FA should have done something about it but they didn't and now we're paying the price with hundreds of millions of pounds going out of our game - never to be seen again.

I think that we shot ourselves in the foot in the late 80s and early 90s by falling behind other countries in terms of training and development. I think that you are right that trying to make up for the dip in quality in English players by buying in poor foreign players has never been the answer.

However on balance the influx of players (and coaches) from abroad has improved the league. The signs of the England U17s team is that it has started to result in better young players. The problem now is that we import experienced young players from abroad who have played competitive football and so are ahead of any young players that do come through the academy system.

I think we are at a stage where we can make a huge difference with relatively small changes in regulations. Many people want to see 7 substitutes and I think that this could be a good thing if the two extra places are restricted in the same way Champions League B squad places are, maybe even making the length of time at the club longer than two years. This would give opportunities for some young players in a lot more games.

I think a number of lesser clubs (notably Middlesborough, Villa and Man City and also West Ham) have in recent years given young players a chance, however with limited success. I think this is largely down to the fact that the current generation of English players (in general) have not had the quality of training at the youngest age and as such are deficient in basic skills which are now second nature to many foreign players. A mastery of the basic skills has allowed a lot of the foreign players to develop more tactically to concentrate on specific weaknesses of their games and to add flair. We have developed a tradition of reliance on physicality which doesn't work well at the highest level - many more players can be made to be more physical at an older age than can be taught to have good touch.

If we want to have a good future of English players I think now is the time to alter the way youth and reserve sides are made up and the opportunities players are given. I am however against having quotas by nationality (or I guess EU vs rest of the world or whatever weird compromise we would end up with).