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[Pacman]

I swear. Sometimes I'm a bit drunk or stoned and don't think about those around me when I do.

If someone asked me politely whether I could stop swearing, I either would stop (certain that this would be the case) or I wouldn't. Hurling abuse at somone wouldn't even enter my mind. The fact that many people seem to associate a polite request with an automatic barrage of abuse is a sad indictment indeed. This kind of reaction is not normal (although worringly common) and it is not a state of affairs that people have to accept.

Totally agree.

[sonsofthedesert]

on the way out I informed the nearest steward whom said he'd do something about it, but nothing happened.

I think the abuse of a disabled person is abhorrent, this sentence above concerns me though. How would he know that the steward did nothing if he had left and also I have to say that if he had gone to plenty of games he would know that swearing happens. Yes the lads should have responded better but I have problems with the thought of people around laughing at the jokes and the comment above.

[Pacman]

That's up to him to decide as her guardian. Weighing up any upset that general bad language may have caused, with the pleasure of watching the team she supports in the flesh. We cannot make a judgement on that.

You are infering that by going to a football match and asking politely for people to moderate their language, he was asking for the girl to be the subject of direct ridicule and abuse. I do not accept this.

No I'm not.

I'm saying if the girl gets upset by swearing then having 40,000 scousers singing that Gary Nevilles mum takes it up the arse isn't exactly going to put her in a good mood is it?

[The Glove]

Yes on the way out I informed the nearest steward whom said he'd do something about it, but nothing happened.

To be fair, he doesnt know since he had left. Did he point out who they were? His nearest Steward, going out, probably wouldve had a copper next to him on the stair well so if she was in tears and distressed Im surprised that nothing was done by either the steward and more so by the copper.

[Kenneth]

No I'm not.

I'm saying if the girl gets upset by swearing then having 40,000 scousers singing that Gary Nevilles mum takes it up the arse isn't exactly going to put her in a good mood is it?

What has her 'mood' got to do with it? As i've said, it's not up to us to decide whether someone we don't know will be more negatively affected by swearing than positively affected by getting to see a match.

[Pacman]

What has her 'mood' got to do with it? As i've said, it's not up to us to decide whether someone we don't know will be more negatively affected by swearing than positively affected by getting to see a match.

Everything was going fine until we got to Anfield basically, much like any child if you tell them something is bad and the see it or hear it happening constantly they get upset. As such Kelli's been told swearing is bad. Now we were seating in the Main Stand, and a couple of rows a head of us were 5 or 6 scouser's whose language was pretty colourful to say the least. But the excitement of the atmosphere was all Kelli was taking in at this time, it truly was a joy to see her happy again.

After the first goal the language in front of us degraded even further, so I took the time to ask the guys if they'd be so kind as to cut back on the swearing as it was now beginning to upset Kelli, she kept saying "They say bad things!"

That's what her mood has to do with it. She was already getting upset by the bad language going on around them before the abuse. What happened when the bloke asked them to stop is disgusting however should she of been put in that position in the first place? I mean if she doesn't like bad language then she is going to get upset by chants from the crowd which include swear words isn't she?

[Lee]

Makes me ****ing furious does that. I've seen loads of this going on the .tv site recently, not good at all. Shameful to say the least

[The Preacher]

unfortunately this stuff does go on. A while ago I used to be a regular on the Kop and you would see this type of 'incident' occur fairly often. we want to believe that we as liverpool supporters are above this type of behaviour and are amongst the most savvy fans out there but there is still a minority who let down the club.

However, where there's a minority of idiots there's a majority of decent folk who dont stand for this, but there are definitely issues that need resolving.

[wildman]

http://forums.liverpoolfc.tv/Forum3/HTML/546564.html[/url]

Sojik
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Registered: Apr 2005 posted 03 September 2007 05:01 PM
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Today I am ashamed of being a Liverpool supporter.

I flew back to England the weekend to attend the Debry game with my cousin Kelli. Now Kelli is a special girl, she's 19 and suffers from Downs Syndrome and has done all her life. As such she's not fully mentally developed as the rest of us, and though she enjoys a reasonably normal life, she's kind of stuck at the age of 4 or 5 which can frustrate her.

Now Kelli has been a Liverpool fan since she was small, as she and I have always had a strong bond, and I often looked after her from time to time to give her parents a bit of break. And as I was Liverpool fan she became one too, now she doesn't full understand the game of football, and its often quite cute watching a game with her, as she'll tell the ref off for every time he gives a foul against a Liverpool player, including the blatant offside's. But she cheers as hard as anyone whenever we score.

This past weekend was to be Kelli's first ever Live game, she's been with me to see countless rugby matches, but I'd always kept her away form football games cause the mentality and language of the crowd is very different. But her father got hold of a couple of tickets and asked if I would take her, as I'm one of the very few people she will go to a crowded place with. As some Downs syndrome suffers are aware of their condition and very much self conscious of it, and thus try to shun public places as peoples reactions to them can upset them.

Kelli and I went up the day before the game I flew home from Oslo where I currently live to Bristol on Thursday and we travelled up to Liverpool on Friday to make a weekend of it, and as one would expect from a young child Kelli was extremely excited about the whole trip for her, a life long Liverpool fan, for her it was like going to Disney Land for the first time. She was going to the home of the mighty Reds and she was so excited the smile on her face from the moment we left her father was a wonder to see. It's been a hard year for Kelli and her father having lost her mother to cancer in march. But she's battled hard,and has tried to fight her condition even harder all credit to her, to help relieve her father through things. Malcom her father took his wife's death pretty hard, and this trip was a reward for Kelli being so amazing throughout everything.

As mentioned we got to Liverpool on Friday so we could visit the official shop and buy Kelli a new jersey she's not got one of the new kit, so I treated her to a shirt with her favourite players name on it. Finnan. She thinks he's cute bless her, and in her opinion which if she is comfortable with people round her she'll tell you he's is the best player in the team, cause he never plays bad. Simple and pretty strong and valid argument really.

Now, everything was going fine, we didn't have seats in the disabled area cause well those of us who know Kelli and love her don't consider her disabled, she can walk, talk, and do the things we can, her condition has just severely limited her development into an adult, and she struggles with the vast majority of things we take for granted and learning things is very hard for her, she often forgets things taught to her only a short time a go. With all this into account for her to brave the trip away from her father, to a place full of strange people, to see her beloved reds play was a feat of courage in the extreme.

Everything was going fine until we got to Anfield basically, much like any child if you tell them something is bad and the see it or hear it happening constantly they get upset. As such Kelli's been told swearing is bad. Now we were seating in the Main Stand, and a couple of rows a head of us were 5 or 6 scouser's whose language was pretty colourful to say the least. But the excitement of the atmosphere was all Kelli was taking in at this time, it truly was a joy to see her happy again.

After the first goal the language in front of us degraded even further, so I took the time to ask the guys if they'd be so kind as to cut back on the swearing as it was now beginning to upset Kelli, she kept saying "They say bad things!"

Now as mentioned above as well I've taken Kelli to see countless rugby matches, she even came to australia with me to see the World Cup in 2003, now at a rugby match if the language is a bit naughty specially with children and ladies present all any guy has to do is say "Come on lads, kids present thats enough!" and the people responsible 99% of the time shut up and offer an apology.

Now when I asked these guys to cool it a little cause they were upsetting my cousin, and I explained she suffers from Downs, they let rip with a string of "F'in ****** , no right being here.", "F off, and take your f'in spastic wool with you!" "F you oot, are all you oot ****zers like her." And so fourth, some of which drew laughs from people within earshot. Admitedly a total of 3 other people called out "hey, thats enough!" but they in turn were meet with the same insults and jibes.

Naturally all this had Kelli in tears, she's aware of the terms people label people like her whom fight every day of their life against something they were born with. So much so she wanted to take her new shirt off there and then. I stopped her and we both left with Kelli in tears. Now this is the first time I have every left a Liverpool match early and over the years I've been to around 200 or so.

I managed to get Kelli back to our hotel crying and trembling all the way.

And we went home to Bristol on saturday, where I had explain to her father why she was still so upset.

Now it seems we missed a pretty good game, and my cousin a 15 year follower and lover of Liverpool FC was reduced to tears by a group of its own fans. Yes on the way out I informed the nearest steward whom said he'd do something about it, but nothing happened.

I've only ever been so ashamed of being a Liverpool fan once before in my life, and that was Heysel and I know all about it I was there.

I'm mature enough to understand that what happens on the field is what helps define Liverpool for me, not the behaviour of a small part of its fans. But the current trend of abusive fans not just at Liverpool matches but England too is taking our club backwards, and it pains me to say I doubt I'll ever attend a game again, when Kelli and I can sit in a pub, in a pleasant atmosphere and watch every Liverpool match in peace.

Yours a disheartened and broken Liverpool fan.

Here's the link also......

http://forums.liverpoolfc.tv/Forum15/HTML/189779.html

This kind of behaviour in our ground is not on........The Club need to be aware of some of the Moronic (Spelling?) support we have inside Anfield......

Phone the club and tell them, they'll never be allowed again

[SNFT]

Everything was going fine until we got to Anfield basically, much like any child if you tell them something is bad and the see it or hear it happening constantly they get upset. As such Kelli's been told swearing is bad. Now we were seating in the Main Stand, and a couple of rows a head of us were 5 or 6 scouser's whose language was pretty colourful to say the least. But the excitement of the atmosphere was all Kelli was taking in at this time, it truly was a joy to see her happy again.

After the first goal the language in front of us degraded even further, so I took the time to ask the guys if they'd be so kind as to cut back on the swearing as it was now beginning to upset Kelli, she kept saying "They say bad things!"

That's what her mood has to do with it. She was already getting upset by the bad language going on around them before the abuse. What happened when the bloke asked them to stop is disgusting however should she of been put in that position in the first place? I mean if she doesn't like bad language then she is going to get upset by chants from the crowd which include swear words isn't she?

Would the young girl in question want to go again, or has her passion for Liverpool been destroyed by a small group of mindless knobheads, who have seemingly acted in a yobish and completly out of order manner and been allowed to get away with it. That is what we have to look at, and how many others around have been affected whilst at our beloved Anfield in recent times.

[Pacman]

Would the young girl in question want to go again, or has her passion for Liverpool been destroyed by a small group of mindless knobheads, who have seemingly acted in a yobish and completly out of order manner and been allowed to get away with it. That is what we have to look at, and how many others around have been affected whilst at our beloved Anfield in recent times.

Agreed

[DeeGame]

sad to read about this sorta thing in this day & age

[Kenneth]

Everything was going fine until we got to Anfield basically, much like any child if you tell them something is bad and the see it or hear it happening constantly they get upset. As such Kelli's been told swearing is bad. Now we were seating in the Main Stand, and a couple of rows a head of us were 5 or 6 scouser's whose language was pretty colourful to say the least. But the excitement of the atmosphere was all Kelli was taking in at this time, it truly was a joy to see her happy again.

After the first goal the language in front of us degraded even further, so I took the time to ask the guys if they'd be so kind as to cut back on the swearing as it was now beginning to upset Kelli, she kept saying "They say bad things!"

That's what her mood has to do with it. She was already getting upset by the bad language going on around them before the abuse. What happened when the bloke asked them to stop is disgusting however should she of been put in that position in the first place? I mean if she doesn't like bad language then she is going to get upset by chants from the crowd which include swear words isn't she?

Right, I seem to be giving you too much credit here.
Nowhere does it say that the upset over bad language was so great that she would rather not have been at the match. TO make judgements about whether he should have taken her there knowing there would be language is stupid when we don't know the girl involved and the extent of her reactions.

She could have been perfectly happy to be watching the game with the bad language, all things considered, on balanance etc. Doesn't mean that asking people to moderate their language wouldn't have improved things and dosn't mean it shouldn't have been requested.

You seem to think you know what's best for someone that you don't know. Very arrogant.

[wildman]

Yeah, but thta's not direct abuse...Ok she's was may have not been impressed by bad language..My mum isn't when i call her a ****...(kidding) but direct abuse of her disability is a different kettle of fish, that is waht should be addressed here, it's IMO worse than racial abuse, but thta's just my point of view and i don't expect everyone to agree

The club have a hotine to report this sort of stuff the guy needs to phone it and the'll be able to trace them if he can tell them roughly werre they were sat, this stuff happens but if people don't do anything about it it will continue

[Pacman]

Right, I seem to be giving you too much credit here.
Nowhere does it say that the upset over bad language was so great that she would rather not have been at the match. TO make judgements about whether he should have taken her there knowing there would be language is stupid when we don't know the girl involved and the extent of her reactions.

She could have been perfectly happy to be watching the game with the bad language, all things considered, on balanance etc. Doesn't mean that asking people to moderate their language wouldn't have improved things and dosn't mean it shouldn't have been requested.

You seem to think you know what's best for someone that you don't know. Very arrogant.

Can you read?

After the first goal the language in front of us degraded even further, so I took the time to ask the guys if they'd be so kind as to cut back on the swearing as it was now beginning to upset Kelli, she kept saying "They say bad things!"