Views on Gerrard's "sportsmanship"?

[alunevans]

There seems to be a vendetta to get Stevie at the moment.

I don't see him through rose tinted glasses, and in fact he really got on my proverbials against Spurs because I thought he hid, and I can't stand that.

But it seems everything he does is up for attack by many and I dont know why that is.

Even when he has a brief, quiet word with the ref to ensure the soft sod follows the laws of the game, there's questions about him.

It seems everyone wants to "get" Stevie. Why?

Whatever form issue he has (and its a form issue that is affecting EVERY central midfielder at the club by the way, oddly enough!) the lad is magic.

Would people be gutted to see him line up for Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal against us, or would everyone be rubbing their hands and saying whoopee we have a chance against this tactically inept dope.

Well not me.

[Tom]

Hard to say, he was coming in from the left, it wasn't central, howard could have come out, stayed on his feet and cut the angle. I'd say he had about a 40% chance based on no scientific method of evaluation whatsoever.

[Nicey]

There seems to be a vendetta to get Stevie at the moment.

I don't see him through rose tinted glasses, and in fact he really got on my proverbials against Spurs because I thought he hid, and I can't stand that.

But it seems everything he does is up for attack by many and I dont know why that is.

Even when he has a brief, quiet word with the ref to ensure the soft sod follows the laws of the game, there's questions about him.

It seems everyone wants to "get" Stevie. Why?

Whatever form issue he has (and its a form issue that is affecting EVERY central midfielder at the club by the way, oddly enough!) the lad is magic.

Would people be gutted to see him line up for Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal against us, or would everyone be rubbing their hands and saying whoopee we have a chance against this tactically inept dope.

Well not me.

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[Tom]

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[Tom]

There seems to be a vendetta to get Stevie at the moment.

I don't see him through rose tinted glasses, and in fact he really got on my proverbials against Spurs because I thought he hid, and I can't stand that.

But it seems everything he does is up for attack by many and I dont know why that is.

Even when he has a brief, quiet word with the ref to ensure the soft sod follows the laws of the game, there's questions about him.

It seems everyone wants to "get" Stevie. Why?

Whatever form issue he has (and its a form issue that is affecting EVERY central midfielder at the club by the way, oddly enough!) the lad is magic.

Would people be gutted to see him line up for Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal against us, or would everyone be rubbing their hands and saying whoopee we have a chance against this tactically inept dope.

Well not me.

This isn't a vendetta against anyone, nobody's saying drop him - even though given his form you might have a pretty good case to say so - it's a discussion of where he fits in the first eleven.

If there's a vendetta going on at the moment it's against rafa. Even when he gets it right it's because he's "lucky".

[glynner]

I say it's about time we stopped being so "nice".

It gets you nowhere nowadays I'm sad to say.

I'm not saying we do what Chelsea do or the scum did under Keane; hounding the ref, but definietly make sure we put some kind of pressure on the ref.

I'd rather be sat here today discussing "sportmanship" with the win under our belts than the other way round

[Red_Al_77]

He was the last defender and under the rules had the go. The ref should have pulled out the red first off. I have no problem with our captain speaking to the ref. That is the prerogative of the captain in any sport.

[FatTony]

There seems to be a vendetta to get Stevie at the moment.

I don't see him through rose tinted glasses, and in fact he really got on my proverbials against Spurs because I thought he hid, and I can't stand that.

But it seems everything he does is up for attack by many and I dont know why that is.

Even when he has a brief, quiet word with the ref to ensure the soft sod follows the laws of the game, there's questions about him.

It seems everyone wants to "get" Stevie. Why?

Whatever form issue he has (and its a form issue that is affecting EVERY central midfielder at the club by the way, oddly enough!) the lad is magic.

Would people be gutted to see him line up for Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal against us, or would everyone be rubbing their hands and saying whoopee we have a chance against this tactically inept dope.

Well not me.

Just where is this vendetta then? Are one or two players above criticism? All I've seen so far on this forum are people saying that he's having a poor season so far, nothing more. This also happens to be true.

This is a discussion on his sportsmanship, and I've always had him down as a bit of a diver, not an out and out diver, but a little like Michael Owen, he goes down a little easy, especially when around the box.

As for the vendetta, if there is one player I would not like to lose at all, it would be SG.

[kewellnthegang]

if it wasnt a penalty a dive or a sending off offence can ya tell me why hibbert or any bitters complained ?

[bysants]

This second Lescott incident: Wasn't it way over the 3 min added time?

[alunevans]

This isn't a vendetta against anyone, nobody's saying drop him - even though given his form you might have a pretty good case to say so - it's a discussion of where he fits in the first eleven.

If there's a vendetta going on at the moment it's against rafa. Even when he gets it right it's because he's "lucky".

To be fair mate, its not just where he fits in the team. It's what's his body language. Is he a team player. Why isn't he disciplined? Does he think he's "the man"? Is he bigger than the club? Is he sulking? Is he a diver? Is he unsporting for the mildest and briefest chats with the ref.

Everything he does gets attacked. I don't really know what everyone's problem is with the lad. It seems to have been ever thus.

Rafa only gets attacked when he perplexes us (and he was lucky yesterday as it should've been 2-2 against 9 men but for the ref).

Steven gets attacked for telling the referee what he should have known in the first place.

[alunevans]

Just where is this vendetta then? Are one or two players above criticism? All I've seen so far on this forum are people saying that he's having a poor season so far, nothing more. This also happens to be true.

This is a discussion on his sportsmanship, and I've always had him down as a bit of a diver, not an out and out diver, but a little like Michael Owen, he goes down a little easy, especially when around the box.

As for the vendetta, if there is one player I would not like to lose at all, it would be SG.

Fair do's. I've been critical of some of his performances too. But he seems to get criticised for everything. People seem ready to jump down his throat for everything, from pseudo analyses of body language on tv interviews, to a chat with the ref.

It just strikes me as odd how so much of his behaviour in a non performance way gets overanalysed. It doesn't strike me as fair.

By all means question his form when he's dipping but everyone always goes that step further and questions beyond that too.

The joy of some that Rafa took him off yesterday and that their reasons were pleasure that Rafa had "shown him whose boss" even though Steven hasn't questioned who's boss is one example of that.

You'd almost think Gerrard was a liability rather than the guy who turned the game back in our favour.

[Morph]

This second Lescott incident: Wasn't it way over the 3 min added time?

aye but we'd had a penalty in added time

[Parm]

The ref was about to make a wrong decision that would have got him reprimanded by his own authorities. Steven didn't get him sent off. He got himself sent off. The referee shouldn't have to be advised of the rules in such a clear cut case.

It's one thing waving imaginary cards about saying "I think thats a yellow", its another to remind the referee what the rules are. One is subjective, the other one isn't.

I don't think he did anything unsporting in the slightest.

I think he was pissed off at being brought down when through on goal and gt caught up in the heat of the moment, I dont think he did anything wrong at all. If he did not get red then we'd all be on here screaming that Hibbert should have been sent off.

[Revo]

Can't agree with that, Tom. From the angle behind the goal line Gerrard did the classic 'diving' move - threw his right leg out towards/into the defender to either promote touch or instigate it. It's standard practice now. The defenders' hand was pulling the shirt, alright, but Gerrard had some of Hibberts shirt as well. Many times players legs do not adhere to the basic laws of physics when in the box .

He knew what he was doing - he didn't feel confident enough to get a shot off so he made sure he was in the area. His professionalism took over from there.

Lescotts' (2nd one) was more of a penalty for me.

And on the card, I could be wrong but I don't think the ref had actually looked at the card he pulled out before he went reaching for the 'other' one.

Frank.

not very often that your wrong frank but it was a clear peno. gerrard had advantage and possession and its hibberts knee/thigh that takes away the scoring opportunity for gerrard. harsh? maybe, but gerrard was denied a scoring opportunity.