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    #46
    If there's a vendetta going on at the moment it's against rafa. Even when he gets it right it's because he's "lucky".[/QUOTE]


    pisses you off too eh pal

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      #47
      Originally posted by alunevans View Post
      To be fair mate, its not just where he fits in the team. It's what's his body language. Is he a team player. Why isn't he disciplined? Does he think he's "the man"? Is he bigger than the club? Is he sulking? Is he a diver? Is he unsporting for the mildest and briefest chats with the ref.

      Everything he does gets attacked. I don't really know what everyone's problem is with the lad. It seems to have been ever thus.

      Rafa only gets attacked when he perplexes us (and he was lucky yesterday as it should've been 2-2 against 9 men but for the ref).

      Steven gets attacked for telling the referee what he should have known in the first place.

      Top post mate.
      There is alot of ante SG bile written on these boards. whenever we don't play well alot of blame is attached to his performance. He's carried the team as an attacking force since Owen left and yet people are never totally happy with him.

      He is a truely brilliant player, the best i've ever seen in a red shirt, and I've been watching the Reds since the mid 1970's. We are truely blessed to have him in our side. If its not his attitude , its his body language or his lack of discipline in the side etc etc. He's had a few moderate performances by his own standards but even then more often than not, he's our most dangerous player.

      He's our captain, a true leader of the side and whilst he's not above criticism or being subbed or dropped, he deserves far more respect than many on here give him.
      AKA Heighway No9

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        #48
        Originally posted by Sir Bob View Post
        Top post mate.
        There is alot of ante SG bile written on these boards. whenever we don't play well alot of blame is attached to his performance. He's carried the team as an attacking force since Owen left and yet people are never totally happy with him.
        Yeah he did, when he was out on the right wing and then moaned his way back into the middle and has not been a patch of the attacking force.

        He is a truely brilliant player, the best i've ever seen in a red shirt, and I've been watching the Reds since the mid 1970's. We are truely blessed to have him in our side. If its not his attitude , its his body language or his lack of discipline in the side etc etc. He's had a few moderate performances by his own standards but even then more often than not, he's our most dangerous player.
        Give me a break he's be in and out of form for the last 18 months. He has not even come close the level of peformances he put in when he was on the right wing.
        BTW Torres is our most dangerous player.

        He's our captain, a true leader of the side and whilst he's not above criticism or being subbed or dropped, he deserves far more respect than many on here give him.
        Respect is earnt not deserved. To command respect you should not:
        • Moan about your manager in an autobiography
        • Tell Jamie K, that you'll leave if Rafa plays you on the right
        • Try to join Chelsea
        • etc


        Either you are a member of the Steven Gerrard Can Do No Wrong Brigade (SGCDNWB), or, you are Steven Gerrard and I claim my 5 pounds
        The Crushing Machine MKII

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          #49
          It was a pen and a direct red. Everything was spot on. He pulled SG's shirt and maybe even his privates. Not cricket.


          We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold.

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            #50
            Hardly gerrard's fault that he has to remind the referee of a premiership match what the ****ing rules are.

            If the decision was at all controversial then maybe it would have been more of an issue but it was a clear red card and only a ****ing cheat would say otherwise. So in actual fact Stevie saved the referee from making himself look like an even bigger ****wit.
            Originally posted by Gordon Brown
            (1995)
            "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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              #51
              To be fair if you watch the Ref's reaction once Gerrard has said his bit, he looks like he stops and thinks for a moment, and then obviously realises that it should indeed be a red card. Nowt wrong with what Gerrard did IMO - there wouldn't be a footballer on the planet who wouldn't protest to the referee that that was a red card.
              And least he was not shouting and spitting right in the ref's face, a la Terry, Keane etc*.





















              *Carragher

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                #52
                i thought he was better than in the last past games. still not close to what he can do but better nontheless. having said that, the pen leaves a bad taste in my mouth. he didn't exactly dive but he went down first chance he had, having entered the box that is. not the first time, not the last.
                as for gerrard being substituted. why all the fuzz? would i have wanted rafa to take sissoko off instead? of course, like everyone else. i thought lucas had a very promising game, some great passing, and most of all he looked assured and confident. and he had scored the winner if it wasn't for ... but most of all: we looked the more dangerous side once lucas came on - and this vindicates rafa's decision imho.

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by fred_plasticine View Post
                  i thought he was better than in the last past games. still not close to what he can do but better nontheless. having said that, the pen leaves a bad taste in my mouth. he didn't exactly dive but he went down first chance he had, having entered the box that is. not the first time, not the last.
                  as for gerrard being substituted. why all the fuzz? would i have wanted rafa to take sissoko off instead? of course, like everyone else. i thought lucas had a very promising game, some great passing, and most of all he looked assured and confident. and he had scored the winner if it wasn't for ... but most of all: we looked the more dangerous side once lucas came on - and this vindicates rafa's decision imho.

                  We would IMHO be looking even more dangerous with SG alongside LL, rather than MS alongside LL.

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by Morphorino View Post
                    on a side note, anyone think stevie would actually have scored, i don't
                    no chance. He was off balance, and on his weaker foot.

                    He did the right thing going to ground, it was either have a pussy shot on your wrong foot, or win a penalty and get your opponent sent off

                    Hibbert did bring him down though, he clips his thigh, which when running at that speed even the slightest knock can send you flying.

                    Hell, i was screaming that it was a red card. Im sure Stevie was too......mainly because it was!
                    "When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah

                    "looking through your posts since 2007 and what you have consistently written about my football team I have come to the conclusion that if you had 1 more brain cell you would be a plant .. your father was a hamster and your mother smells of elder berries, I fart in your general direction ..." Nicey

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by Morten_nogamst_Pedersen View Post
                      We would IMHO be looking even more dangerous with SG alongside LL, rather than MS alongside LL.
                      we don't know that. on paper, i'd agree simply because ms was shocking again. it's like saying, had sg stayed on he'd have scored, that's pure guesswork or wishful thinking if you like. fact is, once leiva was on we were more dangerous. be it because of leiva's presence and influence or because sg was off i don't know.

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Morten_nogamst_Pedersen View Post
                        We would IMHO be looking even more dangerous with SG alongside LL, rather than MS alongside LL.
                        Originally posted by fred_plasticine View Post
                        we don't know that. on paper, i'd agree simply because ms was shocking again. it's like saying, had sg stayed on he'd have scored, that's pure guesswork or wishful thinking if you like. fact is, once leiva was on we were more dangerous. be it because of leiva's presence and influence or because sg was off i don't know.

                        That is of course true.
                        I actually edited my post from "arguably" to "IMHO".

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