All those who want Rafa sacked...

[red g]

The taxi driver the other night wanted him out. said he was useless.

I told him to ring 909 as his views were not welcome with me.

To many knee jerkers. Rafa is unbelllieevvaaabblleee

[Shaggy]

The taxi driver the other night wanted him out. said he was useless.

I told him to ring 909 as his views were not welcome with me.

To many knee jerkers. Rafa is unbelllieevvaaabblleee

USELESS!!!!!!!!!!

The mind boggles. It's quite shocking how many "Reds on the street" are totally out of touch with reality.

[Redspin]

Rafa got that substitution correct. But his justification for it bothers me. If he had said "Lucas came on and won the pen that won us the game" nobody would've questioned it. But to say he withdrew Gerrard for "showing too much passion" makes no sense whatsoever. Say he was playing poorly, though there were worse who were left on, say it was tactical, but don't criticize a player for wanting, trying his best to win the match. It was a fatuous thing to say.

The scum won the league last year with a thin squad in certain positions. And really do those players I've listed do anything for us other than maintain the squad numbers? What do we get with Sissoko? Awful passing. Pennant? Over and under hitting crosses. Kuyt? Headless chicken routine and seal clapping the kop. Riise? Hoofing, and a few Casualty visits for people in the crowd who get hit by his mi**** rockets.

My point being is that it's wrong to keep these players because we might get a few injuries, rather than keeping them and letting them play and drag the quality and more importantly the results of the team down.

Re Mourinho I was merely pointing out an Attribute of Mourinhos management style which I think is more effective than Rafas, his man-management/bond with his players. I wasn't suggesting we sack Rafa and bring him in or anything.

I think most people misinterpret what Benitez meant about Gerrard showing too much passion. I'm pretty sure he meant that, as a local lad, his passion to win meant that he was all over the place in midfield, trying to win the game on his own. The result was that he was often too far forward leaving gaps behind and so giving Everton the opportunity to perhaps get forward more easily. At 1-1 we needed to keep our shape and keep playing the ball around and stay solid as a unit. In fairness to Benitez, Lucas Leiva was our best player after he came on, we enjoyed our best spell of the game and Leiva himself had his would-be match-winning shot handled on the line, with the resultant penalty being converted. As far as I can see it Benitez was proved 100% correct. I'd much rather we won matches by changing personnel at critical stages - and no-one's too important to be substituted (except in their own mind, in the case of certain players) - than massage one player's ego and keep him on at all costs and just hope for the best.

[Frank Leroux]

Just out of interest.... Who are the people that want Rafa sacked?

As someone who would swap our recent CL successes for a PL title...and as someone who doesn't think Benitez will manage us to a PL title...I guess I'd be one of them

[Manofthebog]

I think we can all agree on sacking Parry, mind.

[red g]

USELESS!!!!!!!!!!

The mind boggles. It's quite shocking how many "Reds on the street" are totally out of touch with reality.

very true, but you can understand that watching some of our games recently....it can make u angry unless you can get together with like minded reds and discuss, analyze and understand a little better.

[Kaip]

Have no idea about big footy.
I know Kaip wanted him sacked, as did Revo and KingKenny07

I'll shove that seagull up your arse next time I see you

[desertscouser]

Just out of interest.... Who are the people that want Rafa sacked?

At the moment, I'd say very few people on here actually want Rafa sacked.

[tomasjj]

At the moment, I'd say very few people on here actually want Rafa sacked.

A couple of games ago, it was sadly different...

[Emmo]

At the moment, I'd say very few people on here actually want Rafa sacked.

There is always a small element of nutters who are easily swayed though.

Emmo

[BFG]

If you were the owner and spent £50M in the summer to buy players who your manager wanted to improve the squad, and make a proper challenge to win the league and yet you still finish 3rd like the previous season, What would you do?

If I was the owner, I'd really hesitate to sack him and ask my board to take a decision.
I was the manager, I would give my resignation.

And in the above situation you may be right.

Back down here on planet earth though, where Rafa spent around £20mil net in the summer, at the back end of November with one of only 2 unbeaten league records then the manager can say he's not doing so bad.

The owners can be happy in the knowledge that the manager bought real quality when handed some cash and also got rid of some dead wood for good prices to balance the books.

Even if we don't gain ground on the Mancs the owners can be positive that we didn't even spend half of what they did last summer and we now have a youth system in place that we've been crying out for for years and years. If anything you'd have to say not losing ground is a good achivement with the relative levels of spending.

Every aspect of the club has come on leaps and bounds since Rafa came in and yet the message boards are still filled with drivel. Please tell me, am I missing something?

[dww]

A couple of games ago, it was sadly different...

I'm not so sure - I think there is a vocal minority which made a lot of fuss and made most of those who backed Rafa not feel like posting in the LFC forums. To be honest it got fairly unpleasant and you had to trawl through pages of the same posters grumbling about the same things to find any interesting points that were raised.

[bigfooty]

Back on Koptalk when I said I didn't think he was the man for us in the league, this over a year ago, he was being linked with the Real Madrid job (they were struggling at the height of Beckham's exile) and possibly even the Spanish job. I didn't want him sacked then, nor do I want him sacked now, but I said that if either job became available and Rafa was approached then we shouldn't be scrambling to keep him. I'd hold that some point of view today.

Rafa is without doubt one of the top European managers, which is why I appreciate he is highly sought after by many top clubs around the continent, but that doesn't make him automatically the right man for us in this particular league. Nothing I have seen since convinces me that we're closer to sustaining a real title challenge but I hope I'm proved wrong over the coming months. Sadly I suspect that even if we finish 4th or 3rd and some 15 points adrift we'll have to endure another season of Rafa's rotation.

[Pacman]

Back on Koptalk when I said I didn't think he was the man for us in the league, this over a year ago, he was being linked with the Real Madrid job (they were struggling at the height of Beckham's exile) and possibly even the Spanish job. I didn't want him sacked then, nor do I want him sacked now, but I said that if either job became available and Rafa was approached then we shouldn't be scrambling to keep him. I'd hold that some point of view today.

Rafa is without doubt one of the top European managers, which is why I appreciate he is highly sought after by many top clubs around the continent, but that doesn't make him automatically the right man for us in this particular league. Nothing I have seen since convinces me that we're closer to sustaining a real title challenge but I hope I'm proved wrong over the coming months. Sadly I suspect that even if we finish 4th or 3rd and some 15 points adrift we'll have to endure another season of Rafa's rotation.

Who would you have then?

[Neil Young]

Back on Koptalk when I said I didn't think he was the man for us in the league, this over a year ago, he was being linked with the Real Madrid job (they were struggling at the height of Beckham's exile) and possibly even the Spanish job. I didn't want him sacked then, nor do I want him sacked now, but I said that if either job became available and Rafa was approached then we shouldn't be scrambling to keep him. I'd hold that some point of view today.

Rafa is without doubt one of the top European managers, which is why I appreciate he is highly sought after by many top clubs around the continent, but that doesn't make him automatically the right man for us in this particular league. Nothing I have seen since convinces me that we're closer to sustaining a real title challenge but I hope I'm proved wrong over the coming months. Sadly I suspect that even if we finish 4th or 3rd and some 15 points adrift we'll have to endure another season of Rafa's rotation.

I understand your reasoning but I think he'll get us there in the end simply because he's able to learn from his mistakes.