Tom Hicks: Quit talking and coach the players

[El Jefecito]

Have you read that in the S*n?

Where did you read of Rafa slagging the new owners in the media this week?

[Red Chilli]

They didn't gave him £50m

£20m net or maybe £30m if you count in Kuyt which shouldn't be done because that £10m was probably included into the price for the club.

And how much does he want this window?

It'll probably amount to 50 million a year.

The thing is AFII, as I've no doubt you've been told before, when you sign a player for x million, it costs AT LEAST x million.

When you sell a player for y million, you see probably about 0.7-0.8 y in return.
So working out "Net spend" is not the full picture and is a little inaacurate.

[Craig_H]

No one party comes out of this looking professional.

Disappointed with the Americans for feeling the need to release these statements to the press but I'm very disappointed with Rafa.
He never stops complaining that he hasn't got enough money. Maybe he should have joined Chavski or Madrid then, we haven't got a bottomless pit of cash and ULTIMATELY, all this money comes from the fans pockets.

I don't want LFC to be like Chavski, I'd rather we were like Arsenal, spending money wisely, improving players we already have and playing attractive football.

If Rafa needs 40-50 million a year to compete, maybe he's not the manager we thought he was.

I think there might be an element of truth in your last sentance.

Having said that, it IS a big gap to bridge. With the depth of squad now though, there's no reason why we should continue signing £6m squad players, so on that basis, £35m per year on 2 players (plus whatever's raised through sales) should be sufficient.

[desertscouser]

Maybe.

However as someone else has already said the top managers may look at it and think if they ****ed Rafa about why wont they **** me about? I think the yanks need to listen to people who know they game, trust their manager and talk to Rafa more than 4 months at a time.

It's a good point mate (made by you and the previous lad).

And I agree that the Yanks should shut the f*ck up but I also think Rafa shouldn't contsntly be challenging the Yanks in the press.

I'm starting to look at Citeh with envy. Thaksin doesn't open his mouth, yet provide Sven with as much cash as he wants. (Just for the record I would never ever want Thaksin or anyone like him to take LFC over but he's doing it the right way).

[ronan]

Is it graceful from a manager to complain in the press all the time about the owners' lack of support? Especially when they gave you £50M to buy Torres and others to make the best LFC side in a decade..
I guess they didnt like that...

stop talking out your pie hole

[Nicey]

Have you read that in the S*n?

I am sorry mate they just cannot come out and say what he did in the public recently. Its not clever and they as owners need to rise above this ****. If Rafa is playing funny buggers tell us all about after you sack him but dont wash our ****ing dirty laundry out for all to see, those manc *******s will be pissing themselves

All concerned need to kop there ****ing selves on and get on with the job

[Red Chilli]

Do people want us to go down the Leeds route and put the future of the club in jeopardy by over-spending and under-achieving?

You can't blame the Americans for wondering if their investment in Rafa's transfers are going to pay off. He hasn't had a roaring success in the league so far.

[El Jefecito]

Firstly, what Gillett says in public isnt what i necessarily always deem to be the truth. The americans had a lot of PR to get right since they came, so they'll say what it takes. Pinch of salt material in the extreme.
As for the budgets, whether we get it this year or not, it still affects budgets and if the owners are concerned at losing out on £20m + then they WILL adapt budgets, and IMO they'll do this ASAP.

Agreed on the communication point, doing things through the press is an utter disgrace.

Ok, that's your read, I'll take it at face value.

On budgets there are a million ways to plan these out and then a million ways to operate to account for contingincies.

To tell someone as smart as Rafa that we can't plan to spend any money until 2 weeks before we spend it is insanity. How the **** are they running the business?

[Craig_H]

Ok, that's your read, I'll take it at face value.

On budgets there are a million ways to plan these out and then a million ways to operate to account for contingincies.

To tell someone as smart as Rafa that we can't plan to spend any money until 2 weeks before we spend it is insanity. How the **** are they running the business?

I dont disagree mate, but from G&H's point of view, they'd probably deem the prospect of CL elimination in December as being insanity too.

They'd have a valid point.

[Red Chilli]

Ok, that's your read, I'll take it at face value.

On budgets there are a million ways to plan these out and then a million ways to operate to account for contingincies.

To tell someone as smart as Rafa that we can't plan to spend any money until 2 weeks before we spend it is insanity. How the **** are they running the business?

Don't you think it is shrewd to see how much money is potentially coming in before comitting yourself to a huge expenditure plan?

They want to see if we're going to qualify for the knockout stages of the CL first, which Rafa should have ensured before the last 2 weeks in December if he'd prepared the teams optimally.

[Fierce]

This whole thing makes me wonder why its happening again

Happened at Valencia, but Rafa was in the right
Same thing happening here, but Rafa's in the right

Not saying anything naturally, just throwning a point in the air.....

[Craig_H]

Don't you think it is shrewd to see how much money is potentially coming in before comitting yourself to a huge expenditure plan?

They want to see if we're going to qualify for the knockout stages of the CL first, which Rafa should have ensured before the last 2 weeks in December if he'd prepared the teams optimally.

I honestly think this is the whole crux of it.

Our CL group isnt hard. We SHOULD be sitting comfortably at the top of that group and Rafa should've ensured that happened. It hasnt and there are consequences.

[Red Chilli]

This whole thing makes me wonder why its happening again

Happened at Valencia, but Rafa was in the right
Same thing happening here, but Rafa's in the right

Not saying anything naturally, just throwning a point in the air.....

I'm not sure Rafa is in the right, he has to learn that he hasn't got a bottomless pit of money and you don't criticise your boss in front of the British press.

[Le Chacal]

Don't you think it is shrewd to see how much money is potentially coming in before comitting yourself to a huge expenditure plan?

They want to see if we're going to qualify for the knockout stages of the CL first, which Rafa should have ensured before the last 2 weeks in December if he'd prepared the teams optimally.

Red Chilli's posts make a lot of sense...More diplomatical than me

[Pacman]

Have you read that in the S*n?

Whatever soft lad