Tom Hicks: Quit talking and coach the players

[redwien]

The only good thing about this whole affair is that I got over the 100 post mark - FACT!

[Pacman]

Yes, I'm sure there are plans in place but the plans are multifactorial. What if we lose our next 3 league games and get knocked out of the CL. Then things are different to if we won our next 3 league games but got knocked out of the CL.

What do you want the owners to say to Rafa? Lose the next 3 league games and go out of the CL and you get **** all but win them all and you get 30 million?
How is that useful?

I'm not having that mate.

Plans and budgets should be set out at the start of the season and whether we win the next 3 games is totally irrelevant.

How is our manager supposed to plan himself for the Jan transfer window if he has no idea what funds if any are available?

I bet you £100 that Arsenal, United and Chelsea have got this done and dusted a long time ago.

He never knew at the end of last season how much money he had he had to wait for H&G to get back to him.

It's poor management by Hicks and Gillet.

[Red Chilli]

Sure, it's complex, but not insoluble. There is no excuse for being in the position of deciding expendtiures 2 weeks before you spend them. We're not a bloody corner store, where we have to run to the ATM to see what our bank balance is.

But the events leading up to those 2 weeks will have their impact also. Like I say, does Rafa want them to say "win your league and CL games and you get 30 million net but lose them and you get zip"? Is that useful to him so he can plan?

[Le Chacal]

Red Chilli.

Surely the Liverpool board should plan for every eventuality? There should be a plan in place if we don't qualify for the last 16 of the CL and there should be a plan if we do, hell there should be a plan if we get relegated. It's seems this is something they haven't done. I can't blame Rafa for wanting to know how much he's got either way. He's pissing in the wind and can't do his job. He wants to improve the squad in Jan yet he has know idea what players he can go after if any. This should all be sorted months before a transfer window as we all know it can take months to sort transfers out. Rafa could be looking at one player but have more money available for someone better and vice versa.

If you really think this, then I repeat you have no clue about football's business today. Rafa wanted players for this season. They gave him the money to buy them.
He cant complain 2 months later that they are not supporting him. He looks like a fool making these comments in the press. Thats the reason of their reaction.

[Red Chilli]

I'm not having that mate.

Plans and budgets should be set out at the start of the season and whether we win the next 3 games is totally irrelevant.

How is our manager supposed to plan himself for the Jan transfer window if he has no idea what funds if any are available?

I bet you £100 that Arsenal, United and Chelsea have got this done and dusted a long time ago.

He never knew at the end of last season how much money he had he had to wait for H&G to get back to him.

It's poor management by Hicks and Gillet.

Arsenal United and Chavski are not building a new stadium, a stadium for which the costs have spiralled.
Can't you see that this will impact on all future budgets? It's common sense isn't it?
Are they going to sit down at the start of the season and say, "well if the stadium costs increase by 200 million we'll spend .....". That'd be ludicrous.

[vantage]

graeme hunter was on irish radio this morning and said that that the rift between rafa and the americans was serious and that he is still pissed about buying benayoun and babel who were either not his first choices or not his choices at all. hunter can sound arrogant but he tends to be on the money.

Not his choices at all? You're surely not suggesting that either Stadler and Waldorf, nor the Luminous Tie had anything to do with it?

[Morph]

If you really think this, then I repeat you have no clue about football's business today.

have a think about this quote, and see which pair of yanks you could liken this to, i'll give you a clue initials are GG and TH cue numerous smart arse posts

[El Jefecito]

I'm not having that mate.

Plans and budgets should be set out at the start of the season and whether we win the next 3 games is totally irrelevant.

How is our manager supposed to plan himself for the Jan transfer window if he has no idea what funds if any are available?

I bet you £100 that Arsenal, United and Chelsea have all got this done and dusted a long time ago.

He never knew at the end of last season how much money he had he had to wait for H&G to get back to him.

It's poor management by Hicks and Gillet.

Can you imagine putting together your personal finanancial plan and going to your employer and asking how much am I going to be paid/week and they said, "i'll let you know later".

You've got kids, you want to start planning what you can get them for christmas, you ask your employer about your income, they tell you, "we'll be there christman eve". **** the shops will be sold out, all the best deals will have already been done.

Am I going to let these feckers ruin my kids christmas.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

[Pacman]

If you really think this, then I repeat you have no clue about football's business today. Rafa wanted players for this season. They gave him the money to buy them.
He cant complain 2 months later that they are not supporting him. He looks like a fool making these comments in the press. Thats the reason of their reaction.

What's all this been about then?

I suggest you read what Hicks said and watch Rafa's press conference again.

He wants a discussion about the Jan transfer window yet our owners wont talk to him about it until 2 weeks before the ****ing thing opens.

[Red Chilli]

Can you imagine putting together your personal finanancial plan and going to your employer and asking how much am I going to be paid/week and they said, "i'll let you know later".

You've got kids, you want to start planning what you can get them for christmas, you ask your employer about your income, they tell you, "we'll be there christman eve". **** the shops will be sold out, all the best deals will have already been done.

Am I going to let these feckers ruin my kids christmas.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

That's a weak analogy if you ask me, we're not talking about Rafa's wages.
It'd be more like going to see your boss in November and saying "how much is my Christmas bonus going to be" and them saying "well that depends on your performance and the company's over the whole year not 11 months".

[El Jefecito]

But the events leading up to those 2 weeks will have their impact also. Like I say, does Rafa want them to say "win your league and CL games and you get 30 million net but lose them and you get zip"? Is that useful to him so he can plan?

Rafa should have been told something along the lines of:

This Year

Base Spending $25m
CL Qualification: $0m
CL Group Qualification: $10M

Next Year

Base Spending: $20M
Prior CL Winners: $20M
Prior EPL Winners: $20M
....

It's not difficult, a first year accounting student could do it.

[Pacman]

Arsenal United and Chavski are not building a new stadium, a stadium for which the costs have spiralled.
Can't you see that this will impact on all future budgets? It's common sense isn't it?
Are they going to sit down at the start of the season and say, "well if the stadium costs increase by 200 million we'll spend .....". That'd be ludicrous.

So what your saying then in 3 weeks time the transfer budget could have changed because of stadium costs?

Again I'm not having that.

So Hick and Gillet come over in 3 weeks and say to Rafa ok you've got 15mil to spend in Jan. Then 2 weeks later the transfer window opens and they say sorry Rafa the stadium cost has gone up again you've only got 5 mil to spend and then 2 weeks later they say sorry Rafa the stadium cost has gone down you've now got 20 mil to spend?

[Red Chilli]

Rafa should have been told something along the lines of:

This Year

Base Spending $25m
CL Qualification: $0m
CL Group Qualification: $10M

Next Year

Base Spending: $20M
Prior CL Winners: $20M
Prior EPL Winners: $20M
....

It's not difficult, a first year accounting student could do it.

I don't know why you can't understand that the stadium costs have had a massive impact on spending.

Maybe he has been told a similar story to what you suggest but he wants it to be more specific?
We don't know the facts really do we?

[Tee]

I sincerely believe that someone has gone back on their word - Before we had this new investment Rafa was a right scrooge and never really moaned about lack of money, hell he would rather lose his No.1 target than pay over the odds (eg Dani Alves).

So, since G&T have taken over he has been given more spending power(?) but still would not pay over the odds for some targets (look how cheap he got Torres!!).

Rafa is not being unreasonable and IMO it is time for G&T to put up some big bucks and start landing Rafa's No.1 targets. That is the only way THIS team can improve and compete for the titlr THIS season.

[Le Chacal]

What's all this been about then?

I suggest you read what Hicks said and watch Rafa's press conference again.

He wants a discussion about the Jan transfer window yet our owners wont talk to him about it until 2 weeks before the ****ing thing opens.

You dont build a team in the summer, thinking you'll need to buy more in January. He got the money to buy players for a whole season. You buy players in January in case of serious injuries in your squad, or only for minor changes.
Rafa got a massive support in terms of money and confidence from the owners in the summer but he hasnt stoped complaining.
He has to shut up and do the talking on the pitch and win us games with the brilliant squad he's got at his disposal.