CL Knock out stage qualification

[sonsofthedesert]

Got to say I don't like this attitude of thinking a draw is good enough, let us be honest Porto will beat Besiktas so only a win will do.

[Kenneth]

So, still as clear as mud then.

[Iceman]

OK lets assume that Porto beat Besiktas by my calculations a 1-0 win over Marseille should be enough to get us thru

applying the Uefa rules

If two or more teams are level on points they are split by

(a) higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the teams in question, (even 3 points each)

(b) superior goal difference from the group matches played among the teams in question (even 1 goal each)



(c) higher number of goals scored away from home the group matches played among the teams in question (still even 1 away goal each)

(d) superior goal difference from all matches played, (Liverpool win)

(e) higher number of goals scored, (Liverpool win)

(f) higher number of coefficient points accumulated by the club in question, as well as their association, over the previous five seasons. (I think we win this one too)


of course any win other than 1-0 brings c) and b) into account

[Mattshark]

Sorry you are wrong, that scenario would have Besiktas top on 9 points and the other 3 teams on 8

Marseille would take 2nd spot because of their head to head results against us (1 win 1draw) we would take 3rd because of our head to head results against Porto (1 Win 1 draw)

But don't Porto have a better head to head record against Marsielle?

[Scratch]

OK lets assume that Porto beat Besiktas by my calculations a 1-0 win over Marseille should be enough to get us thru

True, cos we'd have 10 points and Marseille would have 7...

[disco]

When it's decided by 'results between the teams' it's always a mini league. Those goals last night were invaluable. . . Although porto won't lose. Any win vs the french will do as we're the away team. Edit - lol, forgot they lost last night. If they had won we'd still qualify with any win.

[Iceman]

True, cos we'd have 10 points and Marseille would have 7...

of course

trying to work out these Uefa regulations does my head in

a draw only gets us through IF Besiktas beat Porto?

otherwise a draw lets Marseille go through on a) and b)?

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

Bollocks thread this.

JUST WIN THE ****IN GAME.

Simple.

[Morph]

There's no debate:

we go through if

A) we win
B) we draw and besiktas beat porto

Simple as that, don't need to go through all the rules, option B is irrelevant anyway, cos we'll **** Marseille about 6-0

[Craig_H]

No we cant. Besiktas would have 9 pts, us and Marseille would be on 8 with Marseille finishing above us due to better head to head record.

Trust me on this one, we'd qualify.

[Craig_H]

Just read t'other thread. Not sure about this mini league between the three....surely it's just head to head record and as a result we'd finish third. Could be wrong but seems the simplest way but knowing UEFA you could be right.

How can it be head to head between three teams, when each one of the three has a better head to head against one of the other three?

[Craig_H]

Sorry you are wrong, that scenario would have Besiktas top on 9 points and the other 3 teams on 8

Marseille would take 2nd spot because of their head to head results against us (1 win 1draw) we would take 3rd because of our head to head results against Porto (1 Win 1 draw)

No, YOU are wrong.

Why would Marseille take 2nd spot, when PORTO have a better head to head against Marseille? THATS why it goes to a mini league, because Porto have a better head to head against Marseille, Marseille have a better head to head against us and WE have a better head to head against Porto.

So why would Marseille finish above Porto?

It'd be a three team mini league and we'd qualify. FACT.

[Craig_H]

OK lets assume that Porto beat Besiktas by my calculations a 1-0 win over Marseille should be enough to get us thru

applying the Uefa rules

If two or more teams are level on points they are split by

(a) higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the teams in question, (even 3 points each)

(b) superior goal difference from the group matches played among the teams in question (even 1 goal each)



(c) higher number of goals scored away from home the group matches played among the teams in question (still even 1 away goal each)

(d) superior goal difference from all matches played, (Liverpool win)

(e) higher number of goals scored, (Liverpool win)

(f) higher number of coefficient points accumulated by the club in question, as well as their association, over the previous five seasons. (I think we win this one too)


of course any win other than 1-0 brings c) and b) into account

You're over complicating this...

ANY win for us takes us through.

IF we draw, we'll still go through, but ONLY if Besiktas win in Porto.

End of.

[Maestro]

Bollocks thread this.

JUST WIN THE ****IN GAME.

Simple.

[Iceman]

Radio Merseyside have just tried to explain it (I am still none the wiser)

they say we go through if we beat Marseille by any score or draw if Besiktas beat Porto

They explained it thus:

We have a better head to head against Porto

Porto have a better head to head v Marseille

Marseille would have a better head to head v us

therefore goal difference over all group matches would come into play putting us through in 2nd

there was no mention of a mini league and they seemed to think that the 8 goals against Besiktas would count