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Thought it was un-intentional myself.Originally posted by fredo View PostClear hand ball by Tevez mid way through the second half. Clear as crystal water.
Fact is it doesn't change the fact that as a team we lacked composure against them.
Also thought Rafa was a little slow with his subs again. I mean 0-1 down at half time why not get Babel on at the half? He could've scored had he played an extra 15 minutes.I hate Polanski
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What ? They rested their full team and we played with the same team. With our teams being so close, it had to have a small effect surely ????Originally posted by Nic83 View PostThe game in midweek had nothing to do with anything. we lost today because we didn't have enough creativity in midfield and we were carring a passenger up front who quite frankly wouldn't get a start for my local team and I'm being deadly serious.
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Yeah, I think he means that oneOriginally posted by Tom View Postyou mean the one that won 4 - 0 in midweek and which rafa didn't rotate......
Crouch would have got as little change from Vidic and Ferdinand today as Kuyt did.
One sloppy set piece undid us today. We weren't as bad as people are making out though.I could not dig, I dared not rob:
Therefore I lied to please the mob.
Now all my lies are proved untrue
And I must face the men I slew.
What tale shall serve me here among
Mine angry and defrauded young?
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With Ifs you could rebuild the world. No point. We're still in it as we have a game in hand. Many things can happen.Originally posted by CharlieMansonsSquint View PostThought it was un-intentional myself.
Fact is it doesn't change the fact that as a team we lacked composure against them.
Also thought Rafa was a little slow with his subs again. I mean 0-1 down at half time why not get Babel on at the half? He could've scored had he played an extra 15 minutes.
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Originally posted by Cisseshairdresser View PostAnyone could tell 2 subs were needed at half-time, how many were made? None, as usual. Its pure stubborness.
I will back Rafa to the hilt but when he makes stubborn, stupid mistakes like this it is hard to. He really doe's shoot himself in the foot sometimes as much as I love him, like at Reading. he refuses to learn from his mistakes.
I still think Rafa can win us the league but, and surely SOME people must agree, that he has to start learning from his mistakes, and change some of his stubborn attitude!
The only person who has come out of this with any dignity is Mascherano. He HAS to be signed!
the back 4 was immense today except for that lapse when rooney should of scored. riise has had had nothing but stick on here for months, have the balls to say he had a good game today.
"People from Liverpool have got something about them and, if they’re not happy about something, they let people know.”
Jamie Carragher 15/1/2008
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Ya know me Stig mate, I am the optimist of the lot but looking at Rafa's record against the other big 3 it does not make a good reading.Originally posted by TheStig View Post

It hate to give up now, but I think you're right.
This year its the same BULL****, the 2nd half was HOOF & HOPE from us. No cohesion, no organization, nothing and it fooking hurt me to say it but we will have to be much better than that if we want to win #19.
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Man United have more quality in the area of the pitch that wins matches- The front 4.
Ronaldo, Tevez, Rooney and Giggs.
Only Torres can get into that side.
Instead we had Harry Kewell, who is physically not up to par in this level, you've got Benayoun who's a clever little player but he's no Ronaldo and you've got Kuyt who takes about 20 seconds to control a ball, 20 seconds to think about what to do, 20 seconds to decide on what to do and 20 seconds to execute what he's decided to do.
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Originally posted by Cisseshairdresser View PostAnyone could tell 2 subs were needed at half-time, how many were made? None, as usual. Its pure stubborness.
I will back Rafa to the hilt but when he makes stubborn, stupid mistakes like this it is hard to. He really doe's shoot himself in the foot sometimes as much as I love him, like at Reading. he refuses to learn from his mistakes.
I still think Rafa can win us the league but, and surely SOME people must agree, that he has to start learning from his mistakes, and change some of his stubborn attitude!
The only person who has come out of this with any dignity is Mascherano. He HAS to be signed!

This is what I think aswell. He makes simple mistakes and ones that we all think can be easily rectified. BUT as you say, he doesn't seem to be learning from them.
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