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Paul.S
Does that mean we're all allowed to abuse each other on here from now on in whenever we get emotional?
I doubt it.
Let's just cut the abuse everyone.
I loathe Maureen, would object to him being manager at LFC to such an extent that I'd seriously consider my season ticket, am a Rafa skeptic but feel it would be potentially disastrous for him to go anytime soon.
But that's just my view. If someone has a different take on it I'd rather put my point without resorting to calling people cunts. There's too much of all that on this site.
And if a cunt like me can do it, I'm sure everyone else can as well. :
in all fairness to chris though, you make a balanced and well reasoned argument when half, no most of these gob****es are sticking the knife in without one ****ing shred of loyalty. there is going to be plenty of speculation after the season alun, lets all help the man get there
chris is a sound lad. i'm not having a mega pop cos i know he's a good lad.
and there's loads of people here i disagree with on both sides of the argument.
but there's been a load of abuse here lately between posters. does that make this site a better place or a worse place to visit?
for me, worse. and i'd rather everyone cut it out. the same point could have been made without the insults so they weren't needed in my view
If anyone does come in, we are not in **** street so I expect results. And if its that **** then unless he gets 4 points for every win, I wont be happy.
Well its not like we are in a Houllier-esque state of dispaer is it? We are what? 2 possibly 3 players away from a title winning side? We have sorted out the ressies/youth and are now a constant CL team, something we have never been. All our star players are the right side of 30, most under 25. Its all set up, so whoever comes in has to be better than Rafa dont they? They dont have an almighty mess and a squad full of ****e to sift thru, we have a ****in good squad so to improve on what we have can only be done by winning the league and that should come in 2 years tops. If it doesnt then the new man isnt taking us forward.
This surely means that if Rafa stays that you expect the league from him within 2 years too.
What will your view of him be if he's not achieved that?
Shanks was hardly going round being complimentary about opposition was he?
Shanks was a popular figure throughout football. Why? He had wit, class, humility, humour, passion, and he was honest. And he was for the fans and not for himself.
I think the Maureen-Shanks comparisons are so wide of the mark as to be surrealistic.
And more to the point. How can we appoint a manager of LFC who still to this day denies that we even had the right to BE in Istanbul never mind win it.
And if I was some ****bag hack that'd be one of the first q's I'd ask him. Then what's he going to say.
Well no, granted. You were just highlighting that one quite considerably, is all.
The only one i'd be truly ashamed of is the Anders Frisk one. I'd like to think, if Mourinho came to Anfield, that he'd have learnt his lesson on that count and it wouldnt happen again.
Two things I'd say to that
1) Leopard. Spots
2) How can we possibly appoint a manager who (at a conservative estimate) half of our supporters don't just dislike but actively loathe. It's just not sensible and the moment he had a glitch the crowd would be baying for his blood. It'd turn us into Newcastle United overnight.
I dont dispute that and of course Rafa's improved the squad hugely, there's no doubt.
But as i've said, that's not my gripe with him. My gripe is that now, having GOT a very good squad, he mis-uses it and it costs us points and a title challenge.
It's actually the very point that rafa HAS built a strong squad, that works against him - because with such a squad, there's expectancy. And he's not living upto it.
I dont think our squad is 15+ points worse than anyone in the PL.
But it's looking like we'll end up 15 points or more off the top.
That's underachieving and not good enough. And he cant argue that it's not his team now, he's had 3.5 years and it should be coming together better than it is.
I think thats a valid point and is my big concern about Rafa too.
I don't think you could question Mourinho's abilty as a manager. Regardless of what he did at Chelsea, his record at porto puts in the very highest level of club managers.
However, I would be very uncomfirtable with him at the helm because hesays and does so many things which I strongest dislike. Doesn't make him a bad manager but it does make him an unsuitable man to be manager at LFC. I understand the argument that you don't have to like him but for me he's way beyond that.
LFC used to stand for decency and integrity in the game. What shread of that that remains would be gone under mourinho.
I don't think you could question Mourinho's abilty as a manager. Regardless of what he did at Chelsea, his record at porto puts in the very highest level of club managers.
However, I would be very uncomfirtable with him at the helm because hesays and does so many things which I strongest dislike. Doesn't make him a bad manager but it does make him an unsuitable man to be manager at LFC. I understand the argument that you don't have to like him but for me he's way beyond that.
LFC used to stand for decency and integrity in the game. What shread of that that remains would be gone under mourinho.
YOU MEAN WHEN HIS TEAM DIVED AND CHEATED FOR THE UEFA AND CHAMPIONS LEAGUE CUPS. history will show that he won those cups but some of us will never forget how he got them and how he continues to deny us our glory in istanbul
"People from Liverpool have got something about them and, if they’re not happy about something, they let people know.” Jamie Carragher 15/1/2008
he didnt call everyone cunts and ****s to be fair mate. his pos imo was aimed at a certain few who will not listen to any form of reason and seem to be intent on dragging the good name of our clubs reputation down at every available opportunity.
You know as well as I do that chris doesnt just run around calling everyone a cunt mate, he was showing emotion in support of the manager who is getting kicked all over the shop by lads that should be supporting him, or at least treating him with respect.
To not say what you feel just because you are a "mod" is just falseand I fail to see how that would improve the site in any way,shape or form
i'm happy people saying what they feel. i just think saying it in that way isn't good. imagine if everyone disagreed with each other that way. it'd be a ****fest in here. anyhow, i've made my point on it.
i know chris is a good un, but i've pulled up others today and yesterday over the same stuff and i'd be two faced if i didn't do the same with chris just cos i view him as a mate. if that makes sense.
YOU MEAN WHEN HIS TEAM DIVED AND CHEATED FOR THE UEFA AND CHAMPIONS LEAGUE CUPS. history will show that he won those cups but some of us will never forget how he got them and how he continues to deny us our glory in istanbul
exactly, i've just said the exact same thing about istanbul. how can we have a manager who, when we sing "we won it 5 times" replies "not really, the ball didn't cross the line."
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