'Liverpool 2008 FC' - A New Beginning

[Rafa Shankly]

but I can never withdraw my emotional commitment to it.

obviously thats a non starter but somethings off at the club and i can honestly only see it getting worse.

i can already see peoples attitudes softening,and why shouldnt it i suppose,what can we do after all.

but im not likeing the fact that people seem to have moved on already,were ****ed people,long term these 2 clowns are gonna be the ruin of our club and we need to do something on a regular basis to keep reminding them.

as im not from liverpool i suppose the best i can do is boycott official merchandise,its a start.

i read on tlw that on several occasions today lads who tried to get a few protest songs going were shot down by another crowd.

i hope it was only because of the day that was in it and who we were facing.

[kopdan]

How do you switch over?

Do you never look out for whats going on over at Anfield again?

Do you come back when we win the league or the champions league?

exactly.

I'll just go watch Chester

[BobTheCharmer]

exactly.

I'll just go watch Chester

I'm off to QPR.

[wavydavy]

The way it's looking if we started our own club and played on Stanley Park we'd be able to afford to buy half our ****in' squad in the summer. Kuyt, Voronin, Pennant et al will be well within our budget.

[Dhav]

obviously thats a non starter but somethings off at the club and i can honestly only see it getting worse.

i can already see peoples attitudes softening,and why shouldnt it i suppose,what can we do after all.

but im not likeing the fact that people seem to have moved on already,were ****ed people,long term these 2 clowns are gonna be the ruin of our club and we need to do something on a regular basis to keep reminding them.

as im not from liverpool i suppose the best i can do is boycott official merchandise,its a start.

i read on tlw that on several occasions today lads who tried to get a few protest songs going were shot down by another crowd.

i hope it was only because of the day that was in it and who we were facing.

I saw that on TLW as well, and I share your sentiments that I hope it was on account of the competition we were playing in and the opposition we were playing against, and not indicative of a longer term trend. I hope it's not a case of those fans being won over by the latest round of empty words and promises from Gillett and Hicks.

I'm all in favour of getting behind the team, but IMO we really need to keep up the pressure on the Americans. The long term future of the club is not secure in their hands.

[wavydavy]

Liverpool fans starting turning on eachother in the Kop today

Ironic isn't it? We all want the same thing aswell. It's just proof of peoples' passion for the club.

[Kilteragh]

i can already see peoples attitudes softening,and why shouldnt it i suppose,what can we do after all.

This is true. It's not a question of softening. For all those who have used phrases like "apologist cunts" I have yet to see a credible solution to a way forward. Losing control and looking to blame all and sundry is a bit pointless unless there is a next step and slagging off those who are a bit calmer though still concerned is just childish. (I don't mean you btw)

[sonsofthedesert]

Once a red,always a red.YNWA liverpool fc.This club means far too much too me to just walk away from.I'd only be fooling myself.How can i go through a saturday afternoon and not care about the liverpool game?I don't know life without liverpool in it.

I can feel the sentiments in this letter but i'm afraid i just can't do it.

[sonsofthedesert]

This is true. It's not a question of softening. For all those who have used phrases like "apologist cunts" I have yet to see a credible solution to a way forward. Losing control and looking to blame all and sundry is a bit pointless unless there is a next step and slagging off those who are a bit calmer though still concerned is just childish. (I don't mean you btw)

Spot on mate. Being calm is a bad thing in some eyes at the moment.

[Red_Al_77]

Silly idea. Granted the club is in limbo at present but football goes in cycles. We are awaiting our next turn. We are just making heavy weather of actually getting to it.

[Rafa Shankly]

This is true. It's not a question of softening. For all those who have used phrases like "apologist cunts" I have yet to see a credible solution to a way forward. Losing control and looking to blame all and sundry is a bit pointless unless there is a next step and slagging off those who are a bit calmer though still concerned is just childish. (I don't mean you btw)

i think the best way forward is to hit them in the pocket,dont buy any official merchandise is a start.

from there who knows

[Kilteragh]

I always think back to December 2000 when we humiliated Arsenal 4-0 at Anfield. They were ****e and we were great. Yet they won the league a year or two later and we are still foundering.

[Kilteragh]

i think the best way forward is to hit them in the pocket,dont buy any official merchandise is a start.

from there who knows

I have two young boys though and I dread to think what might happen if I didn't shower them with reds gear after every visit to Anfield.

[Johnny]

AN OPEN LETTER TO ALL LIVERPOOL SUPPORTERS

Yesterday was a day that will go down in infamy in the history of Liverpool Football Club. Yesterday was the day that the stewardship of our beloved club by two most undesirable proprietors was sealed. Yesterday was the day that Liverpool Football Club lost its soul.

I have stood and sat in the Kop for fifty years, through its greatest, its humblest (some on here may not realise we were in the old second division within the living memory of most Liverpool supporters) and most tragic times. I have witnessed all our major triumphs and all our humbling defeats. But now no more. This, my fellow Reds, is the end of the line for me.

Unlike many of those who resisted the takeover of Manchester United by the Glazer family I am not set against Americans per se owning our club. It is these particular Americans that I am opposed to for obvious reasons (it was educational to hear that former Chairman of Aston Villa, Doug Ellis, was prepared to accept a lower offer for his shares from Randy Lerner rather than allow Gillett gain control of the club). And make no mistake HICKS &GILLETT are in this now for the long haul – no matter how many REDS are left sleeping on bare mattresses!

What we are witnessing now is the birth of a commercial sports franchise the hub of whose operations will just happen to be within the City of Liverpool. It will be about as Scouse as any Merseyside branch of Tesco or Sainsbury. And worse still, as we have already become aware, our new and most unwelcome owners will do this in a way so underhanded that it would make MI6 blush.

But I haven’t ventured on to Liverpool fan websites for the first time in my life simply to deliver an ‘I Quit’ ultimatum. I have come here to say that ANY Liverpool fan that continues to go to matches is propping up the current regime. Boycotting the odd match here or there will not make the individual fan any less of a collaborator. S/he has to be ready to abstain from match attendance for the duration.

Unfortunately, the outlook for this kind of protest, at first sight, is not encouraging. Barely 300 people failed to renew their season tickets at Old Trafford after the Glazers took over. And those who stayed but decided to boycott club merchandise (and hypocritically vandalise the property of Manchester United executives) couldn’t prevent the clubs turnover reaching a record £250m last year (NB the 76% here who stated they would reduce their financial commitment to LFC should H&G remain).

The formation of an opposition football club on the other hand appears slightly more promising. Playing well outside Manchester at Bury’s Gigg Lane ground, FC United of Manchester regularly commands gates in excess of 3,000. More importantly, the dissidents are not only sticking with their new creation – they are growing in number.

There is much we can learn from the experience of Man U fans who opposed the Glazer takeover. I believe that we could make a sustained boycott of Liverpool FC much more effective and that a new club venture could be more successful. I believe this because Liverpool is a more tightly knit community with a more distinct identity with a greater appetite for struggle.

Fellow Reds, we are now at a crossroads. Either we can just talk of contempt for Gillette and Hicks while continuing to aid them in their monstrous scheme by passing through the turnstiles or we can sever our ties with their alien creation and reclaim our heritage by forming a new club: ‘Liverpool 2008 FC.’

I call upon the moderators, administrators and members of this forum, with links to the official and unofficial Liverpool Supporters Clubs and Associations to lobby your committees and officers to convene within a month an open meeting in a local public venue to discuss the topics that I have just raised: namely the launch of a long term boycott of ALL Liverpool FC fixtures and the establishment of a new association football club, ‘Liverpool 2008 FC.’

I hereby authorise all those who sympathise with the opinions expressed herein to reproduce them for a wider audience.

FFS!!!!


We`re in the same place as ManU when the Glazers took over with great protest.Their fans set up FC Manchester(How are they progressing?)and their beloved ManU won the league afew yrs later with the yank anti-crist Glaser as their owner.


don`t come on here and start a revolution until youv`e at least put a few months work into the site.

[Sir Bob]

I'm not too concerned about the G&H refinancing deal because I don't think they'll be at anfield for the long term. My worry is that DIC or whoever buy us will run the club in the same way.

The refinancing deal gives G&H more time to get themselves a good deal. With the original loan due up for payment they had to refinance or they basically had 2 choices, sell to DIC or use their own funds to pay the loan off.

option 2 was a non starter which would have left selling to DIC. Both parties knew that DIC would have held the upper hand in negotiations as a deal had to be done quickly to met the initial loan's deadline. The refinancing means that next time DIC come knocking its a more even playing field for G&H as they don't have to sell by a particular date.

For what its worth my opinion is that DIC still want LFC and G&H will have a figure in mind at which they'd be happy to sell. The split between G&H gives DIC some serious leverage and I'd be very surprised if G&H were still here in say 2 years. The problem is though is just how much all this effects matters on the pitch. IF LFC missout on CL footy, will G&H look at selling players to meet the interest payments. My guess is yes they will.