'Liverpool 2008 FC' - A New Beginning

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Oh dear.

[Darth Marty]

It's quite ironic that the majority of fans asked for Moores to sell up to investors for many years due to a lack of exploiting our commercial revenue and maximising the money generated by the club. .

pray tell how these yanks have done that then?

[Roboklopp]

FFS!!!!


We`re in the same place as ManU when the Glazers took over with great protest.Their fans set up FC Manchester(How are they progressing?)and their beloved ManU won the league afew yrs later with the yank anti-crist Glaser as their owner.


don`t come on here and start a revolution until youv`e at least put a few months work into the site.

Funny that. You said we were in the same place as the Gooners yesterday.

At least you finally finally seem to have grasped the point about the difference incurred for the debt incurred on the club by the stadium & its purchase in the 1st place. :whatever:

[Roboklopp]

I'm not too concerned about the G&H refinancing deal because I don't think they'll be at anfield for the long term. My worry is that DIC or whoever buy us will run the club in the same way.

The refinancing deal gives G&H more time to get themselves a good deal. With the original loan due up for payment they had to refinance or they basically had 2 choices, sell to DIC or use their own funds to pay the loan off.

option 2 was a non starter which would have left selling to DIC. Both parties knew that DIC would have held the upper hand in negotiations as a deal had to be done quickly to met the initial loan's deadline. The refinancing means that next time DIC come knocking its a more even playing field for G&H as they don't have to sell by a particular date.

For what its worth my opinion is that DIC still want LFC and G&H will have a figure in mind at which they'd be happy to sell. The split between G&H gives DIC some serious leverage and I'd be very surprised if G&H were still here in say 2 years. The problem is though is just how much all this effects matters on the pitch. IF LFC missout on CL footy, will G&H look at selling players to meet the interest payments. My guess is yes they will.

I look at things similalrly too. It just really upsets me that we probably gonna be hamstrung whilst the ****ing Scum pass our 18.

[Roboklopp]

The one major difference in those two seasons where we finished above Arsenal and this season is Pako Ayesteran.All the players respected him and thought really highly of him.

It must of affected something.

Must have mate.

Dentention for you now- you've already been warned once in yer sig.

[alunevans]

I wouldn't mind a non leage version of LFC to be honest, not to abandon the real LFC which appears to be this motivation, but it'd be nice to have something close to old footballing values to support of a Saturday afternoon when we're not playing.

If such a thing ever was set up, I'd not stop watching Liverpool, but I'd pop along and watch the non league version too, and probably enjoy it too.

There's things that have been lost from the game that used to be there 25 years ago and I miss them.

To keep LFC but have a grassroots non league version too would be ace I think. It'd be enjoyable in very different ways and I think I'd get stuff out of it that I simply couldn't ever get watching the Premier League - and of course vice versa.

I hope it happens, albeit for different reasons to the original poster.

[alunevans]

It's quite ironic that the majority of fans asked for Moores to sell up to investors for many years due to a lack of exploiting our commercial revenue and maximising the money generated by the club. Now it's happened and people want to boycott the club, doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me. I've got big reservations as to whether Hicks is the right man to take the club forward, however the decision to sell has been made and as supporters there's little we can do about this.

As to blaming Hicks and Gillett for the teams performance on the pitch, well that's just laughable. The buck, IMO, stops with Rafa and to a lesser extent the players. After all we've been pretty woeful in the league for many years before H&G bought our club.

But we'd be no worse off with Moores in charge still. He was meant to sell to someone who'd take us to the next level. Instead, we don't appear to have any increase in war chest at all. What was the point of selling if only to move sideways. The objective was to sell in order to move upwards but he sold it to people incapable of doing that based on evidence thus far.

[redblood]

I think you are close. I have no idea how much influence Pako himself had but the fact that Rafa had a trusted RH man is what's missing.

We can all sit here and hypothesise how much Pako going affects the team but we have to also consider how it has affected Rafa. They worked together for 11 years and had tremendous success.

Rafa now needs to reestablish his working schedule and if it is true he hasn't been allowed to reappoint someone of his choice (Sammy Lee, apparantly) that is one of the biggest disgraceful acts these two muppets have made and that is saying something.

I am not saying I know this for a fact but if true it is proof to me they have no interest in the teams performance if it comes at Rafa's expense.

I think Pako going has had an effect but I think we got past that then the **** between Rafa and the ******s materialised.
Also I wonder if Pako being paid until the end of this season has anything to do with him not being replaced.

[StevieG08]

pray tell how these yanks have done that then?

They haven't done it (yet), my point was that almost all fans wanted to see Moores sell in order to see a new stadium and commercial revenues maximised like the Mancs have. Once you sell a club to overseas buyers did you really believe things would be the same as before. The Liverpool way went with Moores' shares, no way was somebody going to come in and 'gift' us a brand spanking new stadium.

But we'd be no worse off with Moores in charge still. He was meant to sell to someone who'd take us to the next level. Instead, we don't appear to have any increase in war chest at all. What was the point of selling if only to move sideways. The objective was to sell in order to move upwards but he sold it to people incapable of doing that based on evidence thus far.

The question we should be asking ourselves is why didn't Moores have the balls to loan the money for the new stadium himself and why did he hesitate all those years? It's ****ing laughable that he couldn't maximise the clubs potential himself. At the end of the day he clung onto the sentiments of yesteryear, if he had anything about him he would of loaned the money needed to build the stadium, sold the naming rights and brought in a commercial director to promote the LFC brand. Instead he ran scared and whored us around the world to would be suiters and that's what has put us in this position today. Thanks for **** all Mr.Moores and Parry.

[alunevans]

The question we should be asking ourselves is why didn't Moores have the balls to loan the money for the new stadium himself and why did he hesitate all those years? It's ****ing laughable that he couldn't maximise the clubs potential himself. At the end of the day he clung onto the sentiments of yesteryear, if he had anything about him he would of loaned the money needed to build the stadium, sold the naming rights and brought in a commercial director to promote the LFC brand. Instead he ran scared and whored us around the world to would be suiters and that's what has put us in this position today. Thanks for **** all Mr.Moores and Parry.

Given that this is all the Americans have done, I think thats an outstanding point and one I've been asking since it's been clear how rich the Americans aren't.

I can't disagree with that at all. But the answer is that Moores is clueless as a businessman, made few good decisions in his long reign, and Parry (his hired business brain ha!) was obviously as clueless too. Even when they did manage to whore us out, they found the wrong trick.

[dom9]

AN OPEN LETTER TO ALL LIVERPOOL SUPPORTERS

Yesterday was a day that will go down in infamy in the history of Liverpool Football Club. Yesterday was the day that the stewardship of our beloved club by two most undesirable proprietors was sealed. Yesterday was the day that Liverpool Football Club lost its soul.

I have stood and sat in the Kop for fifty years, through its greatest, its humblest (some on here may not realise we were in the old second division within the living memory of most Liverpool supporters) and most tragic times. I have witnessed all our major triumphs and all our humbling defeats. But now no more. This, my fellow Reds, is the end of the line for me.

Unlike many of those who resisted the takeover of Manchester United by the Glazer family I am not set against Americans per se owning our club. It is these particular Americans that I am opposed to for obvious reasons (it was educational to hear that former Chairman of Aston Villa, Doug Ellis, was prepared to accept a lower offer for his shares from Randy Lerner rather than allow Gillett gain control of the club). And make no mistake HICKS &GILLETT are in this now for the long haul – no matter how many REDS are left sleeping on bare mattresses!

What we are witnessing now is the birth of a commercial sports franchise the hub of whose operations will just happen to be within the City of Liverpool. It will be about as Scouse as any Merseyside branch of Tesco or Sainsbury. And worse still, as we have already become aware, our new and most unwelcome owners will do this in a way so underhanded that it would make MI6 blush.

But I haven’t ventured on to Liverpool fan websites for the first time in my life simply to deliver an ‘I Quit’ ultimatum. I have come here to say that ANY Liverpool fan that continues to go to matches is propping up the current regime. Boycotting the odd match here or there will not make the individual fan any less of a collaborator. S/he has to be ready to abstain from match attendance for the duration.

Unfortunately, the outlook for this kind of protest, at first sight, is not encouraging. Barely 300 people failed to renew their season tickets at Old Trafford after the Glazers took over. And those who stayed but decided to boycott club merchandise (and hypocritically vandalise the property of Manchester United executives) couldn’t prevent the clubs turnover reaching a record £250m last year (NB the 76% here who stated they would reduce their financial commitment to LFC should H&G remain).

The formation of an opposition football club on the other hand appears slightly more promising. Playing well outside Manchester at Bury’s Gigg Lane ground, FC United of Manchester regularly commands gates in excess of 3,000. More importantly, the dissidents are not only sticking with their new creation – they are growing in number.

There is much we can learn from the experience of Man U fans who opposed the Glazer takeover. I believe that we could make a sustained boycott of Liverpool FC much more effective and that a new club venture could be more successful. I believe this because Liverpool is a more tightly knit community with a more distinct identity with a greater appetite for struggle.

Fellow Reds, we are now at a crossroads. Either we can just talk of contempt for Gillette and Hicks while continuing to aid them in their monstrous scheme by passing through the turnstiles or we can sever our ties with their alien creation and reclaim our heritage by forming a new club: ‘Liverpool 2008 FC.’

I call upon the moderators, administrators and members of this forum, with links to the official and unofficial Liverpool Supporters Clubs and Associations to lobby your committees and officers to convene within a month an open meeting in a local public venue to discuss the topics that I have just raised: namely the launch of a long term boycott of ALL Liverpool FC fixtures and the establishment of a new association football club, ‘Liverpool 2008 FC.’

I hereby authorise all those who sympathise with the opinions expressed herein to reproduce them for a wider audience.

Get a ****ing grip.

[alunevans]

Seriously, his particular motivations apart which I wouldn't go along with, if a non league version of LFC were set up by Liverpool fans, who would go and watch them when the real reds weren't playing?

[dom9]

Seriously, his particular motivations apart which I wouldn't go along with, if a non league version of LFC were set up by Liverpool fans, who would go and watch them when the real reds weren't playing?

Not me.

I'm a glory hunting OOT southerner. I have Bath City to watch instead.

[alunevans]

Not me.

I'm a glory hunting OOT southerner. I have Bath City to watch instead.

then your grassroots buttons are being pressed already. mine aren't. i'd love a grassroots LFC in the non league playing at home when we are playing away, just like the old rezzies.

[Scratch]

Must have mate.

Dentention for you now- you've already been warned once in yer sig.

Dentention?? Criticising someone for poor grammar, when you can't even spell? That's rich!!