booing!

[alunevans]

Yes of course.

If sounding off about how you feel is the most important thing to you, then boo away.

To me it's just part of the malaise. I mean, if it makes you feel so bad that you do something that is quite possibly counter-productive then maybe it would be better if you'd didn't go to the match. Then, one way or another, you could be less unhappy. And isn't that what matters?

without meaning to sound patronising or anything, that just sounds like my mate's wife who says "but if you don't like it why do you go?"

it kind of misses the point doesn't it. we could all stop going but anyone who is locked into the game in that way can't abandon it quite so easily.

the real problem Neil is that the game has been taken from us in so many ways, yet we're somehow expected to still behave like the loyal fan.

you know, i downloaded the first episode of brookie the other day for nostalgia's sake. damon and bobby grant were debating "are you going to anfield later dad", "dunno son probably i'll see how i feel, are you"

can you even imagine such a conversation between a 15 yo lad and his father today in an ordinary household.

first of all, you wouldn't get in on an impulse these days.

secondly, how would the 15yo lad get £36 entrance fee - he wouldn't.

that in itself is an example of how the game has become divorced from us. i don't boo myself, and i don't really like hearing it because you can't shake off old values, but i'm not too romantic to understand that we're the only ones these days expected to be loyal while everyone coins it in at our expense in a game where even mediocrity makes you a millionaire.

[Neil Young]

without meaning to sound patronising or anything, that just sounds like my mate's wife who says "but if you don't like it why do you go?"

it kind of misses the point doesn't it. we could all stop going but anyone who is locked into the game in that way can't abandon it quite so easily.

the real problem Neil is that the game has been taken from us in so many ways, yet we're somehow expected to still behave like the loyal fan.

you know, i downloaded the first episode of brookie the other day for nostalgia's sake. damon and bobby grant were debating "are you going to anfield later dad", "dunno son probably i'll see how i feel, are you"

can you even imagine such a conversation between a 15 yo lad and his father today in an ordinary household.

first of all, you wouldn't get in on an impulse these days.

secondly, how would the 15yo lad get £36 entrance fee - he wouldn't.

that in itself is an example of how the game has become divorced from us. i don't boo myself, and i don't really like hearing it because you can't shake off old values, but i'm not too romantic to understand that we're the only ones these days expected to be loyal while everyone coins it in at our expense in a game where even mediocrity makes you a millionaire.

You think I was being serious? Of course I realize it misses the point. So, to my mind, does thinking it's OK to boo if you feel it's counter-productive.

You seem to want it both ways - if it's a product you don't like, don't buy it. If you want to retain a nostalgic sense of the club and football being more than just a product to be consumed then don't boo.

I don't blame anyone for booing and I don't go as often as I did so I don't face the disappointment that a regular match-goer has to tolerate. I can't blame anyone for being unable to tolerate it.

All I'm saying is it probably doesn't help and if individuals want to boo because they're unhappy then they are buying into the consumerist approach to football as much as anyone eating a prawn sandwich in an executive box.

[ronan]

All I'm saying is it probably doesn't help and if individuals want to boo because they're unhappy then they are buying into the consumerist approach to football as much as anyone eating a prawn sandwich in an executive box.

very eloquently put

[StevieG08]

I can remember booing at Anfield as far back as the mid to late 90's so it's not something that's just crept in. Houllier had loads of games where there was booing and to a lesser extent Roy Evans too. I think as fans we can accept being beaten by a better team but when there appears to be a lack of effort or application of skill then it's obvious some fans will vent their anger. As others have said they are highly paid and some of the football they serve up is quite frankly ****e.

[chrispy]

It's not the Liverpool way - i've been hearing this a lot lately in the majority of posts here and it's starting to get a tad bit lame (not aimed at the fan who mentioned it in this thread).

It's the not the Liverpool way - for our owners to bad mouth the manager in public.
It's the not the Liverpool way - for our manager to call out the owners in public.
It's the not the Liverpool way - for our fans to boo the players at half time when results are not going our way.
It's the not the Liverpool way - for hundreds of other reasons mentioned lately on this forum.

Well -

It's also the not the Liverpool way - for a team of millionaires to put in half arsed performances and EXPECT to pick up their obscene wages at the end of the week.
It's also the not the Liverpool way - to be behind at half time to a non league outfit (consisting of dustmen, plasterers, builders and mechanics).
It's also the not the Liverpool way - to squeeze every ****ing last penny out of fans who can barely afford to attend a match let alone buy merchandise in an ill equiped shop.
It's also the not the Liverpool way - to have a bunch of ****wit Americans (whose idea of football is to run 360 feet up the pitch with the ball in your hands for christs sake) owning such a prestigious institution!!!

If I was there yesterday i'd have been more vocal than anyone. If i'm paying £36 for a ticket (plus £30 in fuel probably or a £40 train fare) it's my god given right to complain and moan if a bunch of over paid, over-rated players aren't performing the duties they are paid vast amounts of money to do. They are sportsmen & performers first and foremost. They are there to get the results and entertain the audience. If you went to a U2 or Coldplay concert and they performed every song out of tune you'd demand your money back from the box office so what's the bloody difference here? The way this club is going we are sky-rocketing to the ****house and anyone who doesn't believe it needs to pull their head out of their arse.

It's a good job Sir Bob, Shanks and Crazy Horse are already dead coz that performance against Havants would have killed them!!! They must be sat upstairs now with their heads in their hands despairing at what our once mighty institution has become.

Appologies if this rant offends anyone

[alunevans]

You think I was being serious? Of course I realize it misses the point. So, to my mind, does thinking it's OK to boo if you feel it's counter-productive.

You seem to want it both ways - if it's a product you don't like, don't buy it. If you want to retain a nostalgic sense of the club and football being more than just a product to be consumed then don't boo.

I don't blame anyone for booing and I don't go as often as I did so I don't face the disappointment that a regular match-goer has to tolerate. I can't blame anyone for being unable to tolerate it.

All I'm saying is it probably doesn't help and if individuals want to boo because they're unhappy then they are buying into the consumerist approach to football as much as anyone eating a prawn sandwich in an executive box.

not quite as much because the fans care and the prawn sandwich brigade are just having a meaningless day out, but i don't think i said much different in my initial post. except that when you're hooked you're hooked so its hard to simply stop going like you would if it was tesco.

but of course anyone booing is signing up to the consumerist approach - i was saying much the same thing. i was simply saying why the hell shouldn't they. why must the addicted fan be the only loyal ones in the game these days.

[Neil Young]

not quite as much because the fans care and the prawn sandwich brigade are just having a meaningless day out, but i don't think i said much different in my initial post. except that when you're hooked you're hooked so its hard to simply stop going like you would if it was tesco.

but of course anyone booing is signing up to the consumerist approach - i was saying much the same thing. i was simply saying why the hell shouldn't they. why must the addicted fan be the only loyal ones in the game these days.

They don't have to be. Unless that's part of the addiction of course.

[alunevans]

They don't have to be. Unless that's part of the addiction of course.

which nicely brings us back to boo with my blessing

[Neil Young]

It's not the Liverpool way - i've been hearing this a lot lately in the majority of posts here and it's starting to get a tad bit lame (not aimed at the fan who mentioned it in this thread).

It's the not the Liverpool way - for our owners to bad mouth the manager in public.
It's the not the Liverpool way - for our manager to call out the owners in public.
It's the not the Liverpool way - for our fans to boo the players at half time when results are not going our way.
It's the not the Liverpool way - for hundreds of other reasons mentioned lately on this forum.

Well -

It's also the not the Liverpool way - for a team of millionaires to put in half arsed performances and EXPECT to pick up their obscene wages at the end of the week.
It's also the not the Liverpool way - to be behind at half time to a non league outfit (consisting of dustmen, plasterers, builders and mechanics).
It's also the not the Liverpool way - to squeeze every ****ing last penny out of fans who can barely afford to attend a match let alone buy merchandise in an ill equiped shop.
It's also the not the Liverpool way - to have a bunch of ****wit Americans (whose idea of football is to run 360 feet up the pitch with the ball in your hands for christs sake) owning such a prestigious institution!!!

If I was there yesterday i'd have been more vocal than anyone. If i'm paying £36 for a ticket (plus £30 in fuel probably or a £40 train fare) it's my god given right to complain and moan if a bunch of over paid, over-rated players aren't performing the duties they are paid vast amounts of money to do. They are sportsmen & performers first and foremost. They are there to get the results and entertain the audience. If you went to a U2 or Coldplay concert and they performed every song out of tune you'd demand your money back from the box office so what's the bloody difference here? The way this club is going we are sky-rocketing to the ****house and anyone who doesn't believe it needs to pull their head out of their arse.

It's a good job Sir Bob, Shanks and Crazy Horse are already dead coz that performance against Havants would have killed them!!! They must be sat upstairs now with their heads in their hands despairing at what our once mighty institution has become.

Appologies if this rant offends anyone

I entirely see your point but I fail to understand how you can compare going to the match to a Coldplay or U2 concert (notwithstanding jokes about wanting my money back no matter how well they played) and yet then invoke the spirits of Shankly, Paisley and Emlyn.

[Slinky Skills]

booing for that reason would have made you a muppet then because it was 2-2 at half time

there's a ****ing big scoreboard if you need help though

Sorry, my bad,


It felt like we were losing 2-1 though!!

[Jacko]

It's not the Liverpool way - i've been hearing this a lot lately in the majority of posts here and it's starting to get a tad bit lame (not aimed at the fan who mentioned it in this thread).

It's the not the Liverpool way - for our owners to bad mouth the manager in public.
It's the not the Liverpool way - for our manager to call out the owners in public.
It's the not the Liverpool way - for our fans to boo the players at half time when results are not going our way.
It's the not the Liverpool way - for hundreds of other reasons mentioned lately on this forum.

Well -

It's also the not the Liverpool way - for a team of millionaires to put in half arsed performances and EXPECT to pick up their obscene wages at the end of the week.
It's also the not the Liverpool way - to be behind at half time to a non league outfit (consisting of dustmen, plasterers, builders and mechanics).
It's also the not the Liverpool way - to squeeze every ****ing last penny out of fans who can barely afford to attend a match let alone buy merchandise in an ill equiped shop.
It's also the not the Liverpool way - to have a bunch of ****wit Americans (whose idea of football is to run 360 feet up the pitch with the ball in your hands for christs sake) owning such a prestigious institution!!!

If I was there yesterday i'd have been more vocal than anyone. If i'm paying £36 for a ticket (plus £30 in fuel probably or a £40 train fare) it's my god given right to complain and moan if a bunch of over paid, over-rated players aren't performing the duties they are paid vast amounts of money to do. They are sportsmen & performers first and foremost. They are there to get the results and entertain the audience. If you went to a U2 or Coldplay concert and they performed every song out of tune you'd demand your money back from the box office so what's the bloody difference here? The way this club is going we are sky-rocketing to the ****house and anyone who doesn't believe it needs to pull their head out of their arse.

It's a good job Sir Bob, Shanks and Crazy Horse are already dead coz that performance against Havants would have killed them!!! They must be sat upstairs now with their heads in their hands despairing at what our once mighty institution has become.

Appologies if this rant offends anyone

If shouldn't offend anyone. Nearly all your points are right- spot on infact. I kind of wish i hadn't come on here today- i've contributed to a few negative threads and it's put me in so much of a mood i've just made myself a ginger voodoo doll at work - his name is John!

[Jacko]

booing for that reason would have made you a muppet then because it was 2-2 at half time

there's a ****ing big scoreboard if you need help though

Thank **** for that- and here's me thinking we'd embarressed ourselved

[chrispy]

A bit of a contradiction there from me sorry Can you imagine what Shanks or Sir Bob would have done to that team at half time yesterday? They'd have torn them new ones for sure. We go to concerts to be entertained just like the football, if the performers don't perform we all have a right to make our feelings known. This **** would never have happened under those two because they wouldn't have allowed any off the field antics to interfere with play.

I mentioned Shanks etc coz this is what takes me back to the time when we were a force in World football. Back then we never had to do anything except sing our hearts out and applaud the fantastic sportsmen on the pitch, nowadays we seem to l urch from one catastrophy to another and the average fan is getting fed up with this. We have a right to voice our discontent at the ground, in the pub, on this forum or even in our homes when watching on TV and the suits at the club need to sit up and pay attention. David Moores was an appalling businessman but this level of discontent never reared it's head under his ownership.

[Shanks]

We actually werent.

I actually believe we WERE losing.

If you are not in front in a two horse race then you are second.

Maybe not from a scoreline point of view but we were losing.

People on the Kop, clapping after that second Havant goal. WTF.

No leadership on the pitch.

Skirtl would have done better with a debut alongside Carra.

Never rotate a keeper unless you have to.

The Kop split over protest chants and Liverpool chants.


They shouldn't have even been in our half of the pitch let alone score two goals.

Although I don't ever believe in booing,(I didn't by the way) I don't know of any other way fans can voice their anger at a teams performance.

[cobain]

Danny Murphy once said (I think it was in the "No heart as big as Liverpool's" documentary) that the fans pay for tickets and therefore have a right to express their anger if their team is not performing on the pitch. Simple as that.



I for one am SICK and TIRED of this wait for #19. It's just cursed. Finally, we HAVE a squad to win the championship (well, it's not the best, but ...) and we **** it up in the middle of the season. Absolute nightmare!

And Riise is a ****! ****ing full of excuses! Yeah right, you can't hit a ****ing shot on target, killing pigeons out there in the sky because Rafa told you to train on defensive side of your play? Bollocks! Riise is a very bad defender! Didn't see any improvements in his defending skills before the season and I didn't see them now. And he still collects 30.000 quid.

Bull****!

And Gerrard is not a captain! Carra should be the captain! Gerrard says that he is not vocal because he wants to lead by example. ****ing hell ... so when he plays bad (to the point that you don't even know if he's still on the pitch), is he still leading the team? Is he still a good captain? My arse he is!