Liverpool since Evans

[blacky]

man city-micah richards,michael johnson,stephen ireland( as an irishman i hate the traitorous prick),and some fella i cant pronounce

Micah Richards is the only one that i'd classify as geniune class. Johnson is potentially a great player similar to Lucas however Ireland I don't rate and I'm Irish aswell lad but I don't think he is good enough to be a Top 4 player in the premier league.

[Tom]

we won the reserve premiership under Houliier with traore as captain so dont mention that: we had a better centre defender that time at reserve level eiffon jones if i remember( big tough chap)

But you are arguing that Ged was undermining Heighway

[andyhanrahan]

Now plying his trade at Caernarfon Town. Not completely convinced by your scouting skills

he was a bit heavy even at that stage plus he was going bald and seemed to have a comb over but under a high ball he was Hyppia like

[andyhanrahan]

But you are arguing that Ged was undermining Heighway

the reserve team rarely featured youth players under Ged with gerrard being a great example who bypassed it totally

[paulcooper4]

we won the reserve premiership under Houliier with traore as captain so dont mention that: we had a better centre defender that time at reserve level eiffon jones if i remember( big tough chap)

so winning the youth cup back to back and being top of the reserve league with a team of kids (above the much fabled man utd, man city and middlesborough youth set ups) does not suggest to you in the slightest that Rafa IS doing a hell of a lot of good work in getting the youth side of the club in a position where it IS able to supply us with quality 1`st teamers? you prefer to completely ignore that point to waffle on about eiffon jones who went on to become a pile of ****?

[andyhanrahan]

there are no scouse kids at the moment anywhere NEAR the level of them 3 in the acadamy. Its unfair to blame Rafa for how good or bad the kids of liverpool are at footy in this present time.

Jay Spearing is about the best scouse kid we have on the books at the moment and he is nowhere near capable of holding down a 1`st team spot.

maybe Liverpool are going down the road of what happened in Scotland in the late 80's and 90's when street footie died out and as a result the talent withered

[Tom]

I don't really understand what point you're trying to make. If there were scouse lads good enough, we'd be in for them. Rafa's actually extended the scouting network. Are you really suggesting that Rafa is deliberately ignoring local talent because of some blind spot? Because if you are I don't recognise a man I consider an ultra-rationalist.

[Tom]

I'm still waiting for this list of local scouse talent clogging up the other North West prem clubs first teams. The examples you gave - well none of them were local, one was a brummie, one a manc and one from cork.

[andyhanrahan]

so winning the youth cup back to back and being top of the reserve league with a team of kids (above the much fabled man utd, man city and middlesborough youth set ups) does not suggest to you in the slightest that Rafa IS doing a hell of a lot of good work in getting the youth side of the club in a position where it IS able to supply us with quality 1`st teamers? you prefer to completely ignore that point to waffle on about eiffon jones who went on to become a pile of ****?

of those 2 youth cup winning teams how many will become 1st team regulars maybe 3 if we are lucky. Carragher and Owen were the only ones to progress the last time. Benitez doesnt trust our youth set up enough. I'm sure a more risk taker type manager would have thrwon Nemeth the hungarian into the frey on saturday

[paulcooper4]

maybe Liverpool are going down the road of what happened in Scotland in the late 80's and 90's when street footie died out and as a result the talent withered

I agree with this post 100% mate. X-box and the likes has killed good young footy players. There will still be the odd one that come through, once every blue moon, but the supply line clubs used to have is now gone.

Still doesnt explain how you cant see that Rafa is doing a superb job with the youth set up though, i mean its not even in doubt, wether you like him, his rotation, his tactics or his goatee

[Tom]

Nemeth the famous scouser you mean

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

I think you just have to look at the cups won under Ged and Rafa since Evans left to see we have clearly been better and as a result more successful. The football under Evans may have been good but it didn't get us anywhere, just some classic games against a attacking Newcastle team.

We were better under Ged?

Hold on.

Let's clear this one up.

Evans did an okay job IMO. Let's not forget the wreckage that was left over from the Souness era. Admittedly he couldn't sort out the defence - I wonder if it would've been different had we landed Blanc, Stam or Desailly - and the spice boys culture while it created a strong team spirit was an unnecessary distraction. But we went closer to the title under Roy than we have under either Ged or Rafa. FACT. In a way he was unlucky that Demento inherited all those excellent young players from the scums academy all at once, it saved him from rebuilding the side again.

IMO Houllier was a disaster for Liverpool FC. Large sums spunked on second rate ****e French, awful, truely ghastly football, hoofing, the worst I've seen in my lifetime. Those pathetic excuses, Square pegs and round holes, Smicer for Hamann, Basle, 5 year plan, no league title challenge, Diouf instead of Anelka. And as for that treble season, we were lucky, very lucky, we needed pens to beat Brum in the league cup final, spanked by Arsenal only for Owen to save us, and it took extra time and two of theirs sent of for us to beat that Spanish pub team in the UEFA cup final. Perhaps the manner of the victories distracted us from the cold hard truth, at the time. He was blagger, pure and simple. He nearly took this club to the mattresses.

[andyhanrahan]

nolan from bolton is a good example of somebody we missed out on under ged

[Tom]

I thought this was about Rafa though?

[Red Chilli]

If we're not going to win the league, I'd rather we played like Evans's teams than Rafa's.

My mate was a Wednesday fan, not interested in LFC or SCUM etc. However, he used to love watching LFC because under Evans he believed they were the best side to watch in Europe.

Now we're one of the least entertaining sides in the league IMO.