Rafa Benitez tells Xabi Alonso: Step things up

[Guest]

Fredo, are you suggesting we shouldnt discuss things that we cannot change?

In which case, shouldnt the forum be closed?

No, but you've made your case (and others too including mine). It's not a competition about who has the last laugh or whatever.

At the end of the day we're supporters.

[Shaggy]

That's wrong, there were statisitics produced early last year that showed he ran more than any other player, even SG.

More than Momo, in fact, who was regularly the player who covered most ground.

That was one game though, which Rafa highlighted. Perhaps his level dropped afterwards.

[Craig_H]

More than Momo, in fact, who was regularly the player who covered most ground.

That was one game though, which Rafa highlighted. Perhaps his level dropped afterwards.

If it was ONE game, it hardly represents his usual 'level'.

Frankly, i'd rather Crouch arsed around the penalty box and scored winning goals, than ran around covering every blade of grass other than those in front of goal, as kuyt does.

[Guest]

If it was ONE game, it hardly represents his usual 'level'.

Frankly, i'd rather Crouch arsed around the penalty box and scored winning goals, than ran around covering every blade of grass other than those in front of goal, as kuyt does.

Surely, it's about the team winning, not Crouch scoring or Kuyt not scoring.

[Craig_H]

Surely, it's about the team winning, not Crouch scoring or Kuyt not scoring.

Indeed it is. But you may have noticed, during your football-following days, that a team very rarely wins without scoring goals...hence my use of the term 'match WINNING' goals - when talking about Crouch scoring...

And it also rarely wins when it's effectively playing with 10 men...

So you see, there IS a correlation...

[Guest]

Indeed it is. But you may have noticed, during your football-following days, that a team very rarely wins without scoring goals...hence my use of the term 'match WINNING' goals - when talking about Crouch scoring...

And it also rarely wins when it's effectively playing with 10 men...

So you see, there IS a correlation...

No, there's no correlation, as if we're dependent on Kuyt to score goals.

[Jazzmaster]

So to sum up, Crouch = Good; Kuyt = Bad.

[Craig_H]

No, there's no correlation, as if we're dependent on Kuyt to score goals.

Eh? You're losing all coherence here fredo...

There IS a correlation between scoring goals and winning games, sorry to disagree, but you're just totally wrong to suggest otherwise.

[Guest]

Eh? You're losing all coherence here fredo...

There IS a correlation between scoring goals and winning games, sorry to disagree, but you're just totally wrong to suggest otherwise.

Well even if Kuyt doesn't score goals and we win and he's done the ****ing donkey work needed, how is this considered to be negligible ? Where's the lack of coherence in that ? You're shifting the emphasis on some banalities, next time spare me the effort of typing those few lines for something fairly obvious.

Kuyt not scoring doesn't equate to the team not scoring.

[desertscouser]

Surely, it's about the team winning, not Crouch scoring or Kuyt not scoring.

That's true Fredo and if Crouch plays he's more likely to provide goals and assists and therefore we're more likely to win games.

[Guest]

That's true Fredo and if Crouch plays he's more likely to provide goals and assists and therefore we're more likely to win games.

Well Rafa is certainly stupid for not seeing that.

[Craig_H]

Well even if Kuyt doesn't score goals and we win and he's done the ****ing donkey work needed, how is this considered to be negligible ? Where's the lack of coherence in that ? You're shifting the emphasis on some banalities, next time spare me the effort of typing those few lines for something fairly obvious.

Kuyt not scoring doesn't equate to the team not scoring.

Kuyt represents half the area of the park that's most responsible for scoring goals. If half of that 'strikeforce' offers virtually zero threat, it seriously reduces our chances of scoring goals. This is a fact fredo.

[Craig_H]

Well Rafa is certainly stupid for not seeing that.

There must've been a sarcastic tone to that post which i've missed...

You, criticising Rafa?

No way, i'm not falling for that one

[The Erectile Banana]

Kuyt represents half the area of the park that's most responsible for scoring goals. If half of that 'strikeforce' offers virtually zero threat, it seriously reduces our chances of scoring goals. This is a fact fredo.

On the money.

Strikers are paid to score goals.

[Jacko]

No, the players ****ed up by not working their socks off. Not much Rafa can do about that. He can of course bench them but we don't have a good enough squad to do that.

The players should get a big kick in the ass and some of them should be sold as soon as possible because they have showed that they don't care about the red shirt.

Your very right. Those lazy cunts do need a kick up the arse! The person that should be doing such kicking of the arses is RAFA BENITEZ! The reason those useless ****s are playing week in week out and not giving a toss is because benitez sends the team out with the wrong mentality nearly every game. No idea's, no imagination, no ruthlessness in front of goal and no spine!

Players like Gerrard are taking the piss, week-in, week-out because benitez isn't strong enough to take them to one side and say "listen ere lad, pull your socks up up or **** off. you play for THIS club and when you do you play with 100% commitment, pride and passion along with the ability to win things.

The thing is with players like Gerrard now. people are falling out of Love with him and other players.

You ask every liverpool fan in just this country alone and i reckon nearly half of them now would take 30million for his overpriced, overrated bonce and thats a local lad!

If Benitez can't get the best out of his players then he's not doing his job. If he is getting the best from his squad and it's just that they're **** then they're his signings and the blame falls at his door again!

Same as the players Rafa Lad- either grow some balls and kicking some arse or leave. As everyone says on here NO ONE is bigger than this club weather it be benitez or the ****ing heir to the thrown of jupiter. if you can't do the job, leave the post!